clinton v trump

I think if Trump did become president he will be given the same treatment as JFK , bang

Sadly that is a very real risk. Can't stand the fellow, but "democracy" by the gun is not what we want from a super-power.

The thought of Putin + Trump is scary beyond belief.

Lewlew and Willa45, you didn't attend PS5 in NYC with me, did you? I feel I know you!

Yes, it is great to have access to Gransnet, although it is rare for me to have time to read all contributions, most of which are often wise, always interesting, even when in opposition. Hurrah for free speech!

Yesterday's FBI announcement filled me with dread. Waiting for final clarification. In the meantime, beware what you write in emails...and who uses your email server.....

Anniebach: I don't think Hillary supporters would assassinate Trump. It is not in their genre. Rather, the risk of Hillary being a target, were the results to go in her favour, now there is a scary scenario.

Rinouchka, I wasn't thinking of Hilary supporters or any supporters , this is why a said assassination not murdered

Just reading about the Dunning-Kruger effect .

It describes the cognitive bias whereby incompetent people are so incompetent that they don't realise how incompetent they are.

The most obvious case the article goes on to sugggest is the " proto-fascist misogynistic running for president of USA. It's not simply that he wouldn't know how to govern, but that he doesn't know he wouldn't know"

"The British politicians are another example where " they are so breezily confident they could handle the result of a Brexit referendum - from Cameron to Gove and Johnson to May. I would add I was always of the opinion that Osborne and Cameron fitted that description exactly when in government.

It can be liberating to realise that politicians are winging it all the time. They all suffer self doubt except those who fit the above description.
So there is a vast difference between those who realise that they are winging it and those that don't.

The politicians of our DUnning-Kruger era act like teenagers, entirely certain they know everything, precisely because they don't.

Thanks to you American ladies for adding so much.It reminded me of a short video that I saw on an American forum,showing how his fans are so unquestioning:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MubunsD-7g

WW there is a "confucius he say" quote about ignorance and ignorance of that ignorance.

"He who knows, and knows he knows, he is a sage, seek him.
He who knows and knows not he knows, he is asleep, wake him.
He who knows not, and knows he knows not, he is a child, teach him.
He who knows not, and knows not he knows not, he is a fool, shun him."

Trump is one who knows not, and knows not he knows not.

Yes!!!!! I Think

I have been speaking to relatives in the States this afternoon and asked how it could be that out of such a vast population, a candidate such as Donald Trump could be the Republican candidate? To my British eyes he looks sadly lacking on many levels.

I was told that DT is popular with several segments of the population, not least (which seems incredible to me) young men in the 18-29 age group. There are apparently many of these who have little education, no job or poor job prospects but who dream of being wealthy as DT has promised them full employment and a wonderful future.

Away from major conurbations, there is a strong red-neck bias with people apparently liking the forceful way that DT puts forward his arguments. These, aligned with the religious population who often vote Republican mean that there is (according to my family although but I feverntly hope they're wrong!) a strong chance that DT will be elected.

Donald Trump appears inherently unstable in my eyes and although Hilary Clinton is not perfect, she seems the better candidate.

Both obnoxious in their own way. Heaven help America.

www.joe.ie/movies-tv/michael-moores-donald-trump-documentary-will-be-on-tv-this-evening/565541

This is quite disturbing.

https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/201610/medium-87125-gun1.jpg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/201610/medium-885807-open-carry-states.jpg

Loving these posts... and the videos and quotes.

Just reading about the Dunning-Kruger effect.

It describes the cognitive bias whereby incompetent people are so incompetent that they don't realise how incompetent they are.

That's a keeper Whitewave!

About the young unemployed... unemployment is at an all time low in the US. Traditional Republican voters go for the philosophy of lower taxes for the rich, gun freedom (you can openly carry guns in many states), and then the special interests of the religious right. There may be others, but these come to mind.

But, if in individual states, Republicans can just hold onto their seats, getting their voters to keep (or put them in), but not vote for Trump, I think that is the current vibe. You don't vote all party, you can pick and choose right down to your local town/county from any party's candidates. So many Republicans are 'holding their noses' and voting for Clinton.

I bet Obama is kicking himself for appoint Comey. His reasons for appointing a Republican FBI director (in 2013) were maybe Republicans in Congress were more likely to confirm a Republican, and Comey was against the Bush administration's unrestricted wiretapping programme.

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-james-comey-surveillance_us_5814f125e4b0390e69d0aa65

Guns, guns and more guns.... see two images attached. Map and a woman in a grocery store.

The reason Trump will win, is Hilary Clinton!

Did you watch Michael Moore?
I hope he got a few to change their minds about voting for Trump. Ohio is Trumpland. It was a very informative programme.

This whole FBI/Comey email 'investigation', only proves that Misogyny is alive and well. Never mind that the male candidate Trump is still awaiting trial for fraud, child rape and some 73 lawsuits that are pending against him, the FBI instead chooses to make a big deal out of a bunch of emails that the woman candidate, Clinton never even sent! Thankfully, her supporters are saavy enough to recognize BS when they see it. Voters know that this is a (lame) eleventh hour attempt aimed at giving Trump a boost. It should be noted that Hillary is still leading in all the polls that count!!

Atleast the FBI are trying to be evenhanded now.

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fbi-making-inquiry-ex-trump-campaign-manager-s-foreign-ties-n675881

The foreign ties are to Russia.

Thanks for the posts durhamjen and willa45 I didn't see the Michael Moore programme. I remember him well from the Bush years. (They almost seem nostalgic in light of what is going on now).

Wonder if the Manafort issue will make the news later today.

Am thinking now, what sane person would ever want to run for POTUS in the future. Hillary supporters will worry about assassination and Trump's about impeachment!

Too weird for me.

Lewlew, David Attenborough suggested that Trump could be shot as he likes guns so much.

"Asked how he would feel about America electing a president like Mr Trump who believed that climate chnge is a 'Chinese hoax', Sir David Attenborough said, 'Well, we lived through that with earlier presidents - they've been equally guilty...
We could shoot him. It's not a bad idea...' "

Good grief what a vile comment.

Says as much about the person who says such a thing in my opinion, couldn't care less if it was David Attenborough or not.

So much horrible, nasty rhetoric about. Death threats, talking of killing people is not acceptable , full stop.

Nobody learns any lessons do they.

He does seem to be expressing some odd views in his old age...

You appear to have forgotten that Trump suggested the same about Clinton.
Short memories....

I hope this is in US papers as well as ours.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-taxes-us-election-2016-casino-avoidance-scheme-a7390631.html

Durhamjen

I don't give a toss who said such a thing, it's vile and I don't condone it being said by anyone, nobody should.

I remain in despair of people who are apparently happy to talk that way, use the internet to post death threats or people who can simply find the death of another person fair game. We see and hear of it all too often.

I repeat , it says more about the person prepared to find such crassness worth saying or believing it is appropriate behaviour.

It was actually said on Newsnight in an interview with Emily Maitliss.
When Trump said it on cameral, actually suggesting that those with guns do the same to Clinton, did you complain loudly?
I can't recall. Can you?