A bad day for the world

All those who want to bring their religion into this should go away and start their own file. This has absolutely nothing to do with any religion, all of which are man made.

In simple terms:
www.historylearningsite.co.uk/american-politics/the-powers-of-the-american-president/

The federal system of government in America and the three distinct forms of government institutions in Washington limit presidential power. Bowles claims that presidents have to “bargain” with other politicians and that at times, presidential power is “illusory”. The other politicians who work out of the Capitol building, are not controlled by the president – his only chance might be to influence them but the recent out spoken Democrat members who wanted Clinton to resign rather than drag down the name of the Democrat Party (over the release of the Starr report and the video tape recordings etc.) are indicative of how little influence the president has over his own party members in a time of crisis.

Just because the Republicans have the majority does not mean they all endorse Trump.

I understand I started a parallel thread, my apologies I didn't realise this thread was about the result and not the anticipation.

However it has given me a chance to think about this result and I have come to the conclusion that I do not necessarily think Trump winning is a bad day for the world. In the past year we have had Jeremy Corbyn elected and re-elected as leader of the Labour party, Brexit and now this.

But while I can see that Corbyn is bad news for Labour, Brexit is probably bad news for Britain and Trump probably will not do the US any good, what all these results have done is shake up the political elites in the US and UK, and also in Europe.

For the last 40 years, we have seen the growth of professional political elites, more and more of our politicians, male and female, know nothing of anything but politics as they have gone from intern to researcher to candidate to MP. Similar trajectories apply to the US as well. Starting with the Big Bang, through to Mrs Thatcher and her love affair with monetarism, making money, pursuing growth, helping business has been the order of the day and if this means low wages, high unemployment, insecure jobs then that is the price that has to be paid.

These three election results are showing that politicians can no longer run countries for the benefit of political and professional elites, they must run them for everybody. We need to go back and forward to governments that govern for social justice and MPs and representatives that have spent at least part of their lives living and working away from politics and away from Westminster.

A few more elections like these three in a few more major countries and we will see a revolution in the way politics is run, MPs that come from and are of their communities, not carpet baggers, EU bureaucrats that realise that without root and branch reforms the EU is a gonner and American legislators that realise that social justice and socialism are not the same thing.

All those who want to bring their religion into this should go away and start their own file. This has absolutely nothing to do with any religion, all of which are man made.

CardiffJaguar - have you taken a look at the Vice President Elect's CV?
I think religion does come into it.

Sorry the above post is so long, but I always find Gransnet a good place to float ideas, so many of you have often thought in a similar manner.

this was quick

CardiffJaguar, if you think this thread is no place for religion why did you post your opinions on religion, best you start your own thread on it yes?

Should have said that this is Mexican bog roll

But Monica, the three you spoke of were fought on lies and/or bullying

Apparently, Katie Hopkins has tweeted that if Trump wins, she will move to America, at least something good has come out of today.

I am busy packing but can find time to help her pack

Spot you said I have been watching interviews with the American voters on TV. I am amazed at how civilised the losers are. Boy could the British People learn something from them. The Americans appear to recognise the democratic process even if they don't like the result

I would like to know what you feel we could learn from one of the dirtiest election campaigns ever, with dubious funding, appalling violence at rallies reminiscent of Brownshirts in the 30's, from the nomination and subsequent election of a man with no political experience who by his own admission is an abuser of women , who has a dubious if not criminal record of sharp practice in his assorted businesses, who has shown himself to be foul mouthed and a bully.
So the losers are calmly accepting this travesty of democracy?
Wait until the backlash against Mexicans/the gay community/anyone seeking an abortion / Muslims and immigrants kicks off.
We are far from perfect, but I still prefer our democratic process.

Jalima- I agree. Anyone who says religion has nothing to do with USA Conservative politics is really naïve.

hellochristian.com/5043-mike...ever-right-now

Farage and Katie Hopkins - how they will be missed hmmmmm

Rhinestone, 'I didn't mean people are stupid' but that is exactly what you did mean. You then went on to explain exactly how and why they are too stupid and uneducated to have made a sensible choice. I believe in democracy, therefore if voters choose a political party or leader I don't support, I accept it. I think you should too.

How does one accept a racist , a sex abuser and liar?

Beammeup every cloud etc
Look forward to buying some!

I think, anniebach, that there are many disillusioned people in America who feel that, although the Democrats have been in power, they have been sidelined, ignored, lost their jobs, having to go to soup kitchens and Trump offered them some hope of a brighter future.
Whether or not that hope ever turns into reality we will have to wait and see.

I am just trying to get into the mind of the Trump voters btw!

granjura one of the comments on your link states that
God hates gossip

Is this thread gossip?

Unfair to Alan Sugar?
Businessman, made millions, stars in TV reality show NOT a politician!

Hasn't there already been murder?
Some of the voting stations in Los Angeles had to close because of a shooting.

act.wemove.eu/campaigns/hope-trumps-hate
Good title this one.

Anyone concerned about Trump's perceived ignorance on climate change, there is a letter to sign on Friends of the Earth, for solidarity with those in the US FoE.

Does anyone still think we should replace Trident?
Having a new American nuclear missile system will not make us safe, just a target.

If Russia and the US are going to use nuclear weapons, I'd rather they did it across the Pacific instead of the Atlantic and the North Sea.

Who was unfair to Alan Sugar?

One thing about AS, I would think that he is sexually continent (as opposed to incontinent)
Is that the right word?

It's a shorter distance anyway djen - 53 miles?
and only 2.4 miles between the Diomede Islands

It's not up to us Annie to accept or reject, it's the American people who have chosen, they live in America, we live in Britain (I believe you live in Wales Annie, and I live in England) so as far as I am concerned it has very little to do with me. However, I understand that the American people have chosen, it wouldn't have been my choice (neither would Clinton) but it is their choice, and I think to insult them by calling them 'uneducated' as the OP did, is derogatory. That is my opinion.

There are thousands of black people, Mexicans and folk from other nations living peacefully in the US and have made a success of their lives.As with the uk we have many immigrants who have been an asset to our country and the british people.I cannot understand how millions of americans who have made a choice and voted republican are getting so much stick from folk in the UK.Is it not usual to get your own house in order before being critical of others.