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First blood to Trump

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whitewave Wed 04-Jan-17 06:03:50

Trump will be inaugurated in 16 days time. Ford has recognised this new era.

How will his Junta of advisors deal with the political world?

Will Trump continue to govern by twitter?

Will his erratic behaviour stop?

Will he be less muddled in his thinking?

What will happen to NATO and article 5?

Will the world survive his environmental policy - such that it is?

Will America be able to contain him?

durhamjen Sat 21-Jan-17 14:53:38

Brilliant, Anya. I wonder how many other Disney references there are in the speech he wrote himself.

durhamjen Sat 21-Jan-17 14:58:40

There are so many women on the DC metro that they are being asked to get off two stops earlier, because of the crowds at the last two stations.
There could be more people on the march today than there were at the inauguration.

Mair Sat 21-Jan-17 15:23:01

Interesting how 'under represented' black women are. Maybe many of them quite like Trumps ideas about keeping illegal immigrants out.

Anya Sat 21-Jan-17 15:34:25

WTF?

whitewave Sat 21-Jan-17 15:44:16

anyagrin 8% of blacks voted for Trump

Anniebach Sat 21-Jan-17 15:56:51

Mair, you think many black women support Trump , not forgetting his attack on John Lewis ?

Anya Sat 21-Jan-17 16:08:42

8% isn't 'many' it's a very small percentage.

durhamjen Sat 21-Jan-17 16:39:46

Did anyone else watch Gloria Steinem's speech?

The constitution begins 'We the people', not 'I the president...'

durhamjen Sat 21-Jan-17 16:42:19

A speaker from the Black Women’s Roundtable notes that they march for the 94% of black women who voted for Hillary Clinton - and for the 53% of white women who voted for Donald Trump.

durhamjen Sat 21-Jan-17 16:46:38

This is Denver.

pbs.twimg.com/media/C2tUhAWUAAE82zH.jpg

Can you tell who is black and who is white?
And why does it matter?

durhamjen Sat 21-Jan-17 16:55:09

Gloria Steinem suggested that if Muslims have to register, they should all become muslims!
What an idea!

stillaliveandkicking Sat 21-Jan-17 16:56:06

Im delighted that he's president rather than the wet fish Obama or Ridiculous Hilary Clinton. Feather ruffling is well over due and he's the one to do it. If everyone stops their bloody moaning and accepts the fact that we live in a democratic society same as America and the majority of people have voted for him and Brexit then they can actually get on with the job.

Ginny42 Sat 21-Jan-17 16:56:49

Exactly dj. He surely has to be affected by these scenes enacted all over the world today. We know he's thick-skinned, but this is a significant demonstration of the anger felt by women who will not forget his behaviour. I hope the women living in the USA are heartened that so many women - and men and children - are supporting them from afar. There were many families in the crowd in Liverpool today. I think of the women in the Trump family and hope he treats them with greater respect.

stillaliveandkicking Sat 21-Jan-17 17:01:29

Get off your high horse Ginny. He apologised for what he said. I, being very comfortable being a woman am not up in arms about this in the slightest. Im more concerned over a woman of 65 giving birth claiming it's something liberating to women.

varian Sat 21-Jan-17 17:02:08

I think you all know that the majority of those who voted did not vote for Trump

Lewlew Sat 21-Jan-17 17:03:24

stillaliveandkicking so how long has it been since you lived in the US?

stillaliveandkicking Sat 21-Jan-17 17:09:26

I'm English and live in England.

We have had a big shake up too. I'm delighted. For far too long the rich have looked after themselves. To be honest I don't care if it works or not, Im just glad that things are going to have to change.

Lewlew Sat 21-Jan-17 17:17:51

People voted for his rhetoric, now they are going to see just how powerless the office of the president actually is.

He has no concept of how to work with Congress or with the bureaucracy, or how little power a president actually has. aAlso, the president can't spend money he doesn't have (not appropriated), and so most of the wild ideas that Trump has gone on about will simply not happen because there's no money to make them happen.

The way US government works is that a piece of legislation gets proposed, then later on funded. Sometimes the funding does not come until the following year(s) because we have a retrospective tax system, not pay as you go as in the UK. That's the taxation without representation ethos that made the colonies want to break away from England in the first place!

The worse problem with appropriation coming in following years is that bids might go out to contractors, eg to build bridges, highways, etc. Then something happens and the government cannot go back on those contracts once the appropriations are made. That money must be spent on the legislative project approved by congress.

Why does that matter? EG... in the 80s and 90s many military bases were closed to save money. In the mid-1980s I was a clerk of the works on a dorms/barracks improvement project that had been approved by congress and the fund appropriated. The construction took 6 months (there was a lot of asbestos...reason for the rehab). Almost as soon as the new dorms were done... they were abandoned as the base was closed.

Governing in the US is a very long process, not an event. Something The Donald is going to have a very hard time accepting. There will be tears.

stillaliveandkicking Sat 21-Jan-17 17:19:44

The point is Lewlew, we all know that but he might hurry a few things along.

mcem Sat 21-Jan-17 17:22:33

'I don't care if it works or not' Nuff
said!

stillaliveandkicking Sat 21-Jan-17 17:26:26

why mcem? no not 'nuff' said really. The system governing most places haven't worked for anyone other than the affluent for more than 10 years. Time for a change don't "ya" fink.

stillaliveandkicking Sat 21-Jan-17 17:28:58

The affluent are just shite-ing themselves. Nuff said.

Lewlew Sat 21-Jan-17 17:29:15

stillaliveandkicking You can honestly say you know about the US retrospective tax system and the process of congressional appropriations?

Well, cor' blimey! grin

stillaliveandkicking Sat 21-Jan-17 17:30:06

And you do? you know what is fed.

Lewlew Sat 21-Jan-17 17:30:21

Nooooo... the affluent are laughing, he's going to cut taxes for the rich. He's their wet dream come true! wink

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