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Anti-Trump Demonstration Today

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Rinouchka Sat 21-Jan-17 19:15:03

Today, I participated in the Women's March to The American Embassy in London in protest against Trump's attitude to women and to his proposed plans.
There were thousands of woman( and some men, babies in slings and pushchairs, marching children, even dogs on leads), all using the only method left to us to express our solidarity. It was cold, the sun shone, drums beat and people chatted, shared case histories, laughed, sand, cheered to each helicopter flying overhead and marched until they could move no more.
The police were wonderful and it was peaceful all round, full of goodwill.
There were hundreds of pink pussycat hats, original handmade placards and slogans, even a huge vagina in cardboard. My favourite was a placard( in background of one of the photos attached) stating thus:
A woman needs Trump
Like a fish needs climate change.

My DH, who was with me, thinks that the march, especially one in a foreign country, is a feel good moment for the participants but otherwise useless. Trump is now president and such marches, DH thinks, will do nothing to change the course of his government.

I disagree.

What do Gransnetters think?

durhamjen Sun 22-Jan-17 12:03:23

Protest isn't going to stop.

action.hopenothate.org.uk/page/s/join-the-resistance

Ankers Sun 22-Jan-17 12:03:30

His DD is a friend of Chelsea Clinton. Trump has said he wished they were not friends, as it made his life more difficult!

daphnedill Sun 22-Jan-17 12:05:23

I don't know a great deal about the American Constitution, but from what I do know about it, the founding fathers did do quite a reasonable job of curtailing the President's absolute power - in theory, at least.

Ankers Sun 22-Jan-17 12:06:24

Little Englander = Little Britainer = racist and xenophobic if you are not british

Other than that, happy to answer your posts, but not on this thread which is about something else.

Izabella Sun 22-Jan-17 12:13:53

Well our lot in San Diego have been marching about women's rights etc. However, one of our nieces pointed out that 20% of Clintons funding came via Saudi Arabia so her lot can't be that principled about the rights of women imho.

It's all a mess but like here, People seem to be taking greater interest in political matters.

Ankers Sun 22-Jan-17 12:21:40

It all seems a bit muddled. And muddied. Just like politics!

Is it like over here, in that essentially money comes first [trump is saying about making america great again], immigration second[building the wall], and everything else comes after that?

Ankers Sun 22-Jan-17 12:22:34

And is Hillary seen as an enabler over there?
No help to women?

LondonMzFitz Sun 22-Jan-17 12:36:03

I was there too yesterday. There were people attending against climate change, pay equality, LGBT rights, but in the main against Trump.

I set out saying I don't know what it would achieve. I despise Trump and all he stands for. To spend a Saturday walking the streets of London to publicly show my distress at his being voted into one if not the most important political offices in the world seemed a small but important thing to do.

durhamjen Sun 22-Jan-17 12:38:39

Maybe Trump's daughter wouldn't have been a friend of Chelsea Clinton if Trump hadn't supported Bill Clinton in the late 1990s. He even played golf with him.

MaizieD Sun 22-Jan-17 12:45:45

the founding fathers did do quite a reasonable job of curtailing the President's absolute power

They did try but it results in President belonging to the majority party in Congress has more power than President belonging to the minority party as the latter's policies can be more easily blocked.

They copied the British model apparently but their error was to make the Head of State the head of the Executive (government) whereas in the Brit model the Monarch was(supposedly) non political Head of State and appointed his Executive from the party in Parliament likely to command a Parliamentary majority.

Jalima Sun 22-Jan-17 12:46:11

Well, they must like each other and have things in common for the friendship to have continued - people don't necessarily become friends just because their dads know each other.
The Clintons and the Trumps (whichever Mrs Trump it was then confused) have always been friendly haven't they? Until now

Let's face it, Bill and Don have quite a lot in common.

Jalima Sun 22-Jan-17 12:48:25

Thank goodness for Her Majesty!
Now she has to plaster a smile on her face and greet him.
I wonder if she will have one of her apposite greetings ready?

daphnedill Sun 22-Jan-17 13:38:16

I hope her hubby doesn't say anything inappropriate! hmm

Jane10 Sun 22-Jan-17 13:43:58

I hope he does!grin

MaizieD Sun 22-Jan-17 14:11:02

Perhaps he'll try to goose Melania... Our Phil always did have an eye for the ladies...

whitewave Sun 22-Jan-17 14:12:48

He's a tad tottery these days though. I think his mo-jo may be bit weak

nanaK54 Sun 22-Jan-17 15:02:02

Good for you LondonMzFitz really wish I could have been with you

Jane10 Sun 22-Jan-17 15:26:56

I expect Melania will be quite used to being goosed by old letches.

Jane10 Sun 22-Jan-17 15:27:58

after all she married one!

rosesarered Sun 22-Jan-17 15:33:00

your DH is right, and is a realist.It may have given all concerned a grand day out and felt good, but won't achieve a thing.
Most marches have a 'goal' which may or may not be achieved, but these anti Trump marches are just objecting to him being the President and as he is already the President,.....

whitewave Sun 22-Jan-17 15:37:38

Oh I was under the impression that it was all about what came out of his mouth

Jalima Sun 22-Jan-17 15:39:26

But he got voted in either because of or despite that

rosesarered Sun 22-Jan-17 15:43:52

what he says /has said/will say would not be a subject to be marched about if he wasn't the President.There is no point in marches,[on this subject] other than enabling people to feel good, so the OP's huband is quite correct IMHO.
If feeling good is all that is needed [showing the world you don't like him/what he says] then you could say your objective has been achieved.It won't change a darned thing though.

Jane10 Sun 22-Jan-17 15:48:16

Sorry roses but I think you're wrong there. The sheer scale of this international reaction must give rise to pause for thought. If the anti Vietnam war marches led to changes in policy for the US then this will at the very least mark Trump's card. Who knows, he may even think before he tweets next time!

Rinouchka Sun 22-Jan-17 15:50:09

However, there is a historical precedent to the effectiveness of protest marches, as I have pointed out earlier in this thread:

.....De Gaulle resigned after the student protests of May '68.
.....Nixon admitted that the demonstrations to stop US aggression in Vietnam convinced him not to nuke that little country, as he had intended to do.

Just two examples.