UKIP leader

Fight him in what way?

Canvassing, leaflets etc I assume Ana

skwawkbox.org/2017/02/08/labour-leave-18-5k-to-ukip-donation-not-cost-sharing/

This is interesting, Labour giving UKIP £18,500.

Durhamjen

Are you in agreement with the link you have provided to squawkbox.?

I believe your link is asking if Labour MP Kate Hoey has, to use the words in your link, 'misled the BBC and the public'.

What a pity Labour MP's such as Kate Hoey, Frank Field, John Mann were once highly respected and mentioned several times on GN are now going from 'hero to zero'.

Perhaps it might be worth watching the Daily Politics programme and listen to Kate Hoey speaking on the issue raised in your link to hear from the 'horses mouth'.

I have watched it. I saw it live. I agree with Seb Dance that the elctoral commission should look into it.
Is there any problem with that? Why was the money paid to UKIP instead of Vote Leave, the umbrella organisation?
UKIP finances are being inspected for fraud. She must have known that.

This thread began with a poll showing Paul Nuttall was 10% ahead of Labour. The poll was 182 people, done on facebook, and gave Ukip 35% and Labour 25%. So 64 votes for Ukip and 46 votes for Labour.
It was discussed in the Sun, Express, Breitbart, etc., as bad news for Labour.
It was actually run by Labour Leave paid for by John Mills. There is no indication that the poll was taken in Stoke Central, even.

Yes I watched Seb Dance and Kate Hoey on the Daily Politics too, I rather liked the way Sir Nicholas Soames whilst being a Tory stood up for Kate Hoey's character and political career.

Seb Dance is of course the flavour of the month no doubt in 'some' circles as he is the Labour MEP who held up the piece of paper behind Farage when he was speaking in the EU Parliament saying 'He's lying to you'.

Hasn't Seb Dance called for Labours biggest Donor John Mills to be kicked out of the labour Party?

It will be interesting to see what the truth is behind the allegations he has made.

I wonder what he will do once his job is finished in the EU Parliament? Maybe he has friends in high places within Labour so perhaps he will be a candidate for any vacant constituency that might appear in London one day.

I will be watching for the truth to emerge with interest, I hope Kate Hoey will emerge unblighted by this allegation of wrong doing as I have always thought of both her and Frank Field as good Labour MP's .

I think what we need to look at what would the good people of Stoke be getting if the voted for Nuttall. Would you wish that on them? Isn't a labour or liberal candidate a better bet? Rise above the leadership debate, and think what Stoke needs.

That's all for the good people of Stoke to decide fortunately, not a committee of globalist autocrats.

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/02/picture-farage-nuttall-face-half-empty-hall-in-stoke-after-ticket-prank/

dj that will be the globalist autocrats

Is this to be taken seriously? Or is it fake news in the Guardian?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/10/ukip-leader-paul-nuttall-denies-lying-about-being-at-hillsborough-disaster

Must we have 'fake news' what's wrong with lies or untrue, even Corbyn uses 'fake news' sooooooooooo Trump

But 'fake news' is a specific phenomenon. We've always had lies, misleading facts, spin, embellishment woven into and around events and th news stories based on them. Fake news is different in that the whole story is fake, there is not one grain of truth within it and it is got up to look real and genuine.

Are we some people losing the ability to discern what is reliable information from a reputable source and what is "fake"? It seems that people are too ready to believe everything they read on the internet and I do not exclude myself, just as in the past "it was in the paper" had to mean something was true. Journalists have always shown instances of "not letting the facts get in the way of a good story" but now these things are "shared" and spread on social media with the result that if enough people say something, it "must be true".
The media have a responsibility not to disseminate lies/propaganda/fake news but we also need to refine our ability to sort the tosh from the facts.

Good post MawBroon.
For a while I didnt post much abut Trump becuase I couldn't work out fact from fiction.
Even now, as you say, if something is said often enough over the internet, there is a tendency to believe, by me and maybe others, that it has to be true.

It takes time I think to trust sources and where people get their sources.

Who decides what's fake and what's true?

Paul Nuttall says he was at Hillsborough. Everybody else connected with Hillsborough doubts it, because he has never said so before, never helped, not even given as statement when they were asking everyone who was there to give statements.
Has he only just remembered he was there?

He also said he had a PhD according to the paper. When someone is such a liar- like grumpy trumpty can you believe anything they say?

What is it about these right wing populists that they seem to continually lie?

It shows what they really think of the voter doesn't it?

Stuart Lee on Paul Nuttal is a laugh-bit of strong language involved
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KVO378tjsw

Jen, have you read all the statements given and did everyone there give statements?

I have no idea if he was there or not but can he be called a liar unless someone comes forward with proof he was not there

There were 24,000 Liverpool supporters there, did they all give statements ?

I'm afraid that certain segments of our main stream press have been making up stories for many years. It's just the quantity now, and the fact that it can travel rapidly on platforms like Twitter. If someone has 1000 followers and they share something...

I don't know if he was there or not, but somehow I think that if he really was he would have made a much bigger fuss about it before now. Or maybe it just slipped his mind...

he would have been thirteen years old at the time

His dad said he was thirteen. He said he was twelve. The priest at his school was surprised as they talked to all those who had been there. Nuttall was not one of them.
He has been MEP for Liverpool for years and has not mentioned it to anyone involved in the Hillsborough disaster.

I agree with trisher; he never made anything of it, and never helped the Hillsborough campaign group at all. Why not?

Who do I believe? All those others involved or Nuttall? Hard choice.

I don't know if he was there or not.

What I find extraordinary is someone who's been politically active from a young age, an MEP, and lived his whole life in the city that lost 96 people, has never taken any part in the very long campaign to get to the truth.

Also, the priest at his school says he wasn't on the list of pupils who were at the match and given support to help them deal with the trauma.

What in any case was his intention? To reinforce street cred by jumping on that particular bandwaggon? Shallow and insulting to those who WERE there.

Is "Thou shalt not be found out" the only driving force in these people's lives? (and if found out, apologise after a fashion, attempt to justify "I misspoke" and vow that "lessons will be learned")
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