UKIP leader

Oh yes, PN can be called a liar - his nomination form, his 'PhD' and the evidence from a variety of sources that point to his not having been at Hillsborough. All paint a pretty conclusive picture I think

Trouble is, UKIP supporters probably don't care that he is economical with the truth.
While we are on the subject why do UKIP candidates dress like country squires on a grouse shoot?

Latest is he's had to move as his address was online and he has had hatemail sent.
If he had stuck to the law and not put a false Stoke address on, that would not have happened.

Why surprised, this is the party of Farage and Hamilton

suzie yes quite bizarre

durhamjen Saturday

"Who decides what's fake and what's true?"

Well you had a post removed by GNHQ stating:-

'We believe this to be a fake news story that is going viral so have deleted'

I have seen other posts that turned out to be 'Fake News' at a later date such as 'The Pope backs Trump'.

durhamjen

On Wednesday you put a link up to one of your favourite bloogers skwakbox regarding the financial transactions between Labour Leave and UKIP.

It was 'querying' the legality of monies paid to UKIp and went as far as saying:-

"If proven to be a donation, all the MPs (Hoey, Frank Field and the awful John Mann) who support Labour Leave, along with its directors who are members, should be expelled from the Labour party immediately.'.

This was presumably your view and indeed it was the clear view of Labour MEP Seb Dance.

What do you make of the follwing?

www.labourleave.org.uk/our_statement
Our Statement
Posted by Michael O'Sullivan 6490.60sc on February 09, 2017

"Last week a Labour MEP wrote to the General Secretary of the Labour Party asking him to investigate the claim that Labour Leave made payments to another political party during the EU referendum campaign, wrongly suggesting that Labour Leave had been “complicit in directly funding our political opponents.”

Labour Leave cooperated fully with the Labour Party's investigation, providing all information concerning the incorrect allegations made against us. We received a letter today including the following statement from the General Secretary Iain McNichol:

"I am satisfied that the money was transferred for the purposes of meeting shared costs for joint referendum events that had been paid for by UKIP. This has been reported as such by Labour Leave in your spending return to the Electoral Commission. In addition, the Commission advised you to report this payment as a “donation” for regulatory purposes. There is no indication that the money has, or will be, used for any other purposes."

Labour Leave is supported by hundreds of thousands of Labour members and voters up and down the country. We are proud to be associated with the Labour Party and will continue to do all we can to see a Labour government elected in 2020."

Truth/lie?

I watched a question and answer session between the main 5 parties involved in the Stoke by election on BBC today.

It was very interesting if you can view it.

Maybe I should start reading 'some' durhamjen links POGS

skwawkbox.org/2017/02/09/what-the-electoral-commission-said-re-labourleaves-18500-ukip-donation/

Electoral commission to decide, not for the Labour Party.

Never mind the links, it's the quotes you've got to take with a very large pinch of salt petra

What's that supposed to mean, Ana?

Oh, you're back daphnedill, what a surprise.

It means that durhamjen has been known (recently) to post quotes or 'facts' which are not reliable.

You have to say something worthwhile in order to get a post removed, though, Ana.

Which ones are those ana you will know of course as you read every post.

Yes, I do know, but if you missed them it's hard luck whitewave.

durhamjen, does passing on viral fake news constitute 'something worthwhile' then?

Anything's better than nothing, Ana.

One link or quote does not equal quotes, Ana. Don't exaggerate.

"Anything's better than nothing, Ana."

What the heck does that mean when talking of posting Fake News?

Ana, many posters on here post so-called 'facts' which aren't reliable. In some cases, they are anecdote or merely opinion. At least dj posts sources, so the facts can be traced back to source.

It's high time that the Electoral Commission took its role seriously regarding 'donations' to political campaigns. If it won't, the country at least needs some serious independent journalists to investigate. The whole thing is dodgy and sleazy.

After the referendum campaign Arron Banks was boasting on Twitter how much he'd spent on the campaign (between £7-11 million). When challenged that he had exceeded legal amounts, he gloated that he'd spent in ways which were within the law.

If you want to see how much has been donated to UKIP, the records are here:

search.electoralcommission.org.uk/Search/Donations?currentPage=1&rows=10&query=UKIP&sort=AcceptedDate&order=desc&tab=1&et=pp&et=ppm&et=tp&et=perpar&et=rd&prePoll=false&postPoll=true&optCols=CampaigningName&optCols=AccountingUnitsAsCentralParty&optCols=IsSponsorship&optCols=RegulatedDoneeType&optCols=CompanyRegistrationNumber&optCols=Postcode&optCols=NatureOfDonation&optCols=PurposeOfVisit&optCols=DonationAction&optCols=ReportedDate&optCols=IsReportedPrePoll&optCols=ReportingPeriodName&optCols=IsBequest&optCols=IsAggregation

By the way, Rock Services is one of Arron Banks' companies - based in Gibraltar. Robin Birley is Zac Goldsmith's half brother. Labour Leave was funded mainly by Tory donors. LabourLeave, UKIP and Leave.EU weren't the officially designated campaign organisations. Make of that what you will!

These people are as much a part of the 'elite' as any of the people voters thought they were voting against. It's more a case of the elites jostling amongst themselves for power with voters used as foot soldiers.

PS. I'm back because the company on here seems to have improved over the last few days.

Yes daphnedill, I think most of us realise that the reason for your return is linked to the determined campaign to remove a certain poster - well done.

durhamjen 19.39

'Electoral commission to decide, not for the Labour Party.'

You and I both said we had watched Seb Dance and Kate Hoey on Daily Politics and you know perfectly well that he had said he had wrote to Ian McNichol, the General Secretary of the Labour Party. Indeed he has said this on twitter:-

"About to go on BBC @daily_politics to discuss my letter to Labour's General Secretary on Labour Leave donation to UKIP with Kate Hoey MP."

Hence my post at 13.10 which was giving a response , an update to that point and one I make in good faith as being reliable, who knows.

It is true to say your skwakbox blogger and Seb Dance may get a different response from the Electoral Commission but as far as I can see there is no comment from them thus far.

No need to congratulate me on anything Ana. There was no determined campaign by me, although I've heard others were involved in some campaign. All hearsay, of course .I've recovered from the nasty comments addressed to me by one of your mates and am feeling fine.

search.electoralcommission.org.uk/English/Donations/C0245093

It was listed as a donation to UKIP. Labour party members or groups are not allowed to donate to other parties. They get kicked out for it.

Exactly! Nothing fake about it. At the very least, it deserved an explanation and justification from the Electoral Commission for being described as a 'donation'.

Labour Leave was set up as a Ltd company and had plenty of donors, many of whom were major Tory party donors. It all smacks of conflict of interest. What if (and I'm not claiming this is the case), the donors funding LabourLeave were deliberately trying to exacerbate divisions within the Labour Party.

Leave.EU, which was the group set up by UKIP and funded mainly by Arron Banks wasn't even the designated campaign group, but I don't think many people knew the difference. It has meant that Vote Leave and Leave.EU can disown reponsibility for what each other promised.

The whole thing stinks!