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whitewave Wed 25-Jan-17 18:22:23

Paul Nuttell is according to the poles is 10% ahead in the Stoke bi-election, so I thought I would look at some of his beliefs. I was astounded at how similar they are to Trumps.

1. Privatisation of the NHS - this has been taken from his website because he needs the votes. Privatisation of the NHS doesn't attract votes.

2. Wants a referendum to vote on restricting woman's rights. He is anti-abortion, and believes that there should be a ban on adverts for family planning and abortion.

3. Burka ban. In all public buildings.

4. Against banning discrimination against gays.

5. So he believes in placing restrictions on Muslim belief/culture, but is against any restriction to Christian beliefs.

6. Thinks sexist comment are OK, and against placing restrictions on these type of comments.

No wonder he was so thrilled when Trump won the election.

daphnedill Mon 13-Feb-17 02:54:44

This is NOT fake news, by the way...

I don't know enough about company transfers and accounts to understand all this, but I really hope that somebody with more knowledge than I have and/or contacts with the press/media follows this up.

I was intrigued by donations to UKIP by a company called Better for the Country, so did a little digging. In total, the company donated £1.95 million to Leave.EU and just under £100,000 to UKIP.

The company was set up in Gibraltar and is owned by no other than Arron Banks, who has already made substantial donations to UKIP.

Better for the Country was fined £50,000 by the Information Commissioner in May 2016 for sending over 500,000 unsolicited texts to people urging them to vote Leave. The numbers were obtained from third party marketing lists.

All very dodgy! I have no idea whether it's legal or within the rules of campaigning, but in the cause of transparency, people should know what's been going on.

It would appear that only ITV News and the Guardian reported the fine, although it's also on the official ICO website:

www.itv.com/news/2016-05-11/firm-fined-over-brexit-campaign-text-messages/

I don't understand why Better for the Country also paid £100,000 to UKIP.

Ankers Mon 13-Feb-17 07:52:34

Is rosesarered gone?

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petra Mon 13-Feb-17 08:33:28

Ankers You've got it, by god you've got it. It took a while, but better late than never [ smile]

Ankers Mon 13-Feb-17 08:46:45

! grin

whitewave Mon 13-Feb-17 08:53:13

daph - I am sure that this happens all the time. It is how the wealthy buy power. I think that it also probably proves that it works. If it didn't they aren't so foolish as to waste their money. It is nobbling democracy in my opinion.

durhamjen Mon 13-Feb-17 08:59:20

How dare you,Ankers!
My husband was in pain for 15 years because of NHS staff not doing their job properly, and you think it's fake news!
You think I was lying about it!

I am so pleased you find it something to laugh about, and you, petra!
You are absolutely disgusting, the pair of you.

daphnedill Mon 13-Feb-17 09:01:36

I'm sure it does, whitewave. However, UKIP claims to represent 'the people', to be anti-élite, anti-establishment and against all the corruption and shady dealings in traditional politics. The truth is that it's more élite than the established parties (nearly all its funding comes from a handful of multi-millionaires), underhand and seems to have a complete disregard for the law. They don't give two hoots for the 'common man' (or woman) and why Farage and Nuttall have to dress like country quires on a pheasant shoot is beyond me.

Ankers Mon 13-Feb-17 09:06:09

No, you have missed my point durhamjen.
The point is that fake news to you is better than nothing.

Acrually, I dont need to repeat what I have written.
Perhaps you need to reread it.

whitewave Mon 13-Feb-17 09:07:00

Oh dj I've just read the vile post. Well they have to live with themselves, I'd hate to be in their shoes. Such unpleasantness doesn't enter either my world or my friends world. They are the sort one associates with are they?

Ana Mon 13-Feb-17 09:07:10

BTW daphnedill the quote I was referring to was the Fake News item which durhamjen posted as a quote - no reference or source although she was asked by other members for one.

Then GNHQ removed it, as it was a fake news item which had gone viral.

MawBroon Mon 13-Feb-17 09:07:13

I did have some sympathy for what you went through, but I dont now, as you would have done exactly the same thing in their position

I may not have agreed with you up to now, but would never have had you down as outright unkind Ankers
That was a terrible thing to say to DJ whether you see eye to eye on politics or not. .

Ankers Mon 13-Feb-17 09:07:29

And you couldnt have misunderstood it.

Ankers Mon 13-Feb-17 09:10:00

But durhamjen cant complain about someone or a group of people, when it is now quite clear that she would have done exactly the same in their position.

durhamjen Mon 13-Feb-17 09:12:07

Thanks, whoever reported it.

whitewave Mon 13-Feb-17 09:20:46

Well done reporter!!

one would hope that the vileness you see in so much social media would not be repeated here on GN. We should be mature adults with more wisdom. Clearly both qualities have past some by.

Ankers Mon 13-Feb-17 09:25:20

No whitewave. It is clear to me that it was reported[and I said nothing more than loads of other posters say]by more than 1 poster. And that was why they took notice.

It was a lot less than I see every day of the week on the news and politics thread.

So to say that was vile, is ludicrous.

Ankers Mon 13-Feb-17 09:26:16

I merely said that a poster doesnt have truth as a high priority, which is often said on here.

whitewave Mon 13-Feb-17 09:30:21

Trying to repeat the post leaves yourself open for another deletion. Grow up and give in gracefully. Sometimes we get things very wrong. I have and so have many others.

MawBroon Mon 13-Feb-17 09:31:58

No Ankers what was d keyed was what I referred to in my post of 9.11 .
If it was not meant unkindly, perhaps you could explain what you meant. It certainly sounded unkind.

MawBroon Mon 13-Feb-17 09:32:37

"Deleted" not d keyed confused
bloody iPads again!!

daphnedill Mon 13-Feb-17 09:34:46

Ankers Two wrongs don't make a right! Dj has often mentioned her husband and his last few years. Unless she's pulling a fast one and doing a very good job of keeping up some kind of lie, I am prepared to take that at face value. For you to suggest that it's 'fake news' is vile.

By the way, the post Dj had deleted wasn't proved to be fake news, but I believe GNHQ spotted it and pulled it to be on the safe side. Fake news is a hot issue at the moment, especially as Trump is threatening to sue just about everybody who doesn't agree with him. Mumsnet is already being threatened with legal action for some posts, so I guess mods are being hypersensitive.

Ankers Mon 13-Feb-17 09:35:46

No it wasnt MawBroon. It want that that got deleted.

Ankers Mon 13-Feb-17 09:37:20

Ankers Two wrongs don't make a right! Dj has often mentioned her husband and his last few years. Unless she's pulling a fast one and doing a very good job of keeping up some kind of lie, I am prepared to take that at face value. For you to suggest that it's 'fake news' is vile.

I didnt! ridiculous, and you know it!
Reread.

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