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The Colonial past of many European countries is the reason for people having EU passports - many Indians have British passports -- all to do with the Raj etc. These people are free to travel and settle anywhere in the EU.
Do the statistics show how many are second or third generation EU citizens?

Many of the large numbers of Brazilians in London most of who arrived post millenium for example got here thanks to Portuguese or Spanish passports (Spain has given three amnesties to illegals many of whom came from Portugal).

Read this supporting article.

"Brazilians can blag a Portuguese passport on the flimsiest of ancestral grounds, so many thousands of them who drift into London are technically classed as EU citizens, and are therefore barely acknowledged statistically".
www.spectator.co.uk/2014/09/rich-boys-from-brazil/

As well as Brazilians we have Africans from France Belgium and Italy, Iraqis and Somalis from Sweden and Netherlands, Maghrebis and West Indians from France, to name the major groups.

"Have to say I have assessed thousands of job applications from immigrants. There was certainly no pattern of people coming from third world countries with EU passports. Very rare indeed.

I hardly think job applications (whatever sector you worked in) would necessarily accurately reflect the percentage of EU immigrants born outside the EU, nor would you have been monitoring that and consequenttly would have no recall of it if it had.

I would prefer the evidence from the Oxford Migration Obssrvatory that 7% of EU immigrants were born outside the EU. Especially as it is backed by a wealth of looser anecdotal evidence of large numbers of third country nationals with an EU passport.

By the way, anyone coming to Britain has to pass through Europe unless they are rich enough to fly here. That link is from 2013 and the stats start 2001. Anything more up-to-date?

Exactly, Jess.
You said, Mair, that they came in using EU passports.
Can you please point out where in that link it says that?

Have to say I have assessed thousands of job applications from immigrants. There was certainly no pattern of people coming from third world countries with EU passports. Very rare indeed.

DJ reveals her prejudices - again

"She probably got it from the Daily Mail"

You couldnt be more wrong!.

Well I had never heard of the fact she was giving - it is a very interesting one and wondered about the source of the info

I have come across many sources over th last decade, much of it anecdotal, butt if you want some stats take a look here:

Oxford University's Migration Observatory

how many EU migrants are not originally from Europe. They found that 141,000 people, 7% of those who came to the UK under EU rules were born outside the continent. Somalis are one of the biggest such groups, with an estimated 20,000 coming to the UK from the Netherlands alone. Studies show that between one third and a half of the entire Dutch Somali community has moved to the UK
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/28/british-dream-europe-african-citizens

Given that the Netherlands has been one of the largest receivers of Somali refugees thats a lot of the Somalis here. ManY Swedish Somalis have moved too.

She probably got it from the Daily Mail.

www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/feb/08/wikipedia-bans-daily-mail-as-unreliable-source-for-website

Well wonder away because you sure won't be getting a link

Well I had never heard of the fact she was giving - it is a very interesting one and wondered about the source of the info

Ooops

Welsh you're not seriously asking Mair to back up any of her assertions with verifiable, evidenced facts are you?

Welsh you're not seriously asking Mair to back up any of her assertions with facts are you?

Where is that information Mair - I have never seen that reported before so am either reading the wrong reports or you maybe have access to information not available to everyone.

We need a lot more young hardworking men and women if we are to keep the country going. That's very clear. I can't see how that will happen without significant and sustained immigration.

The only immigrants who are likely to be stemmed by Brexit are the ones from the EU and those are the ones I was referring to

That's where youre very very wrong Welsh. Many of our third country immigrants come here using an EU passport they have acquired.

Just look at Japan which is having real problems because it has an ageing population and so few immigrants

And Britains not having problems with it's exploding population cracking infrastructure, housing shortage, terrorism, and native population riven with division and hate?

Funny that you mention Japan as Britain and Japan have the unhappiest young people in the world, but we are in no position to be looking at them with smug satisfaction!

The only immigrants who are likely to be stemmed by Brexit are the ones from the EU and those are the ones I was referring to. They are also the ones who may go home more frequently or seasonally.
Once we leave the EU there is likely to be more immigration from the Indian and African continents - indeed Priti Patel told India this as a positive during the referendum campaign. These are the people with a poorer health service and more likely to bring family members to UK.

I wondered yesterday why all the Tories who said they wanted EU migrants to stay did not support the clause to ensure that would happen.

This is why.

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Because the word racist has been bandied around so much it has become meaningless.
As an instance: I read today that Nigel fararge was called a racist because he claimed that Romania should never have been allowed to join the eu: totally meaningless in this context. The reason for him saying this had nothing whatsoever to do with race or religion.

It works the other way too, suzied (and much more often, certainly on this site), i.e. whenever anyone says something vaguely negative about some immigrants they get accused of being racist or xenophobic.

Do they think this though really? Isn't it that they just love immigration and despise Britain and British people? Weirdly usually not enough to actually emigrate to these other countries they love to holiday in travel in! grin
Crude stereotyping to borrow a phrase. Why, whenever someone says something vaguely positive about some immigrants do they then get accused of wanting a total open door to the whole of the world etc? I don't know anyone who wants that, I live in a very cosmopolitan Area and most people get along, integrate etc. Lots of mixed relationships.

Just look at Japan which is having real problems because it has an ageing population and so few immigrants...

Why do some posters feel that UK would sink without trace without being propped up be mass immigration?

Do they think this though really? Isn't it that they just love immigration and despise Britain and British people? Weirdly usually not enough to actually emigrate to these other countries they love to holiday in travel in!