Article 50

MaizeD, you as well as I know we cannot make any decisions about anything until we get EU approval

These are matters to do with trade agreements. There will always be regulations on trade whether we are in or out of the EU.

I was thinking more on the lines of domestic policy as you are asserting that we are unable to make any decisions without EU approval. What domestic legislation do we have to get permission from the EU to implement?

york Aticle 50 is not irreversible. Providing the UK has not made a final agreement then we can change our minds. I agree it is most unlikely, but there is that let out clause if we decide that Brexit isn't worth the candle.

interfering in UK business:

www.ornamentalfish.org/uncatogorized/say-goodbye-to-water-hyacinth-as-eu-bans-the-plant-from-uk-garden-ponds

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/gardening-blog/2013/sep/26/eu-regulation-garden-plants

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/gardening-blog/2013/sep/26/eu-regulation-garden-plants

20 more reasons to leave:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/20-reasons-you-should-vote-to-leave-the-european-union/

uk.businessinsider.com/reaction-to-supreme-court-article-50-brexit-ruling-2017-1

It did not surprise me that a leave voter thought that the ECHR had something to do with the EU. This is typical of the misleading propaganda which many chose to believe because it suited them , without checking to see if it was true.

Here's an example of how leaving the EU will lead to more paperwork and could leave to a loss of jobs:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2017/feb/02/if-eastern-europeans-leave-britain-after-brexit-what-happens-video

John Harris has been filming a series of interviews with various people around the UK about how the referendum will affect them. Some of them were filmed before the referendum. There's one from Stoke, which is very relevant.

Errmm, Yorkshiregel, we're on our way to leaving. We don't need 20 reasons.

What we need to do now is make the best of it and make sure that our own politicians don't use it as an excuse to ride roughshod over our rights.

I know two people who represented the UK on EU standardisation committees, one on communications engineering standards and one on medical laboratory practice. They are both professional scientists, not civil servants.

They each sat round a table with fellow scientists from the other European countries to discuss and agree standardisation. These people were not bureaucrats, but experts (if you'll excuse that word) in their field. It is absolutely essential that these scientific standards are agreed, for the sake of safety, research and technological progress. They had minimal administrative support, but the actual decisions were made by the experts.

If we leave the EU we no longer have a place round the table discussing these two areas and so many more where co-operation is essential. We will be powerless to influence the standards but we will still have to abide by them. To do otherwise would be suicidal. Far from "taking back" control we will have relinquished control.

Needless to say these two people, who used to be proud to sit at a table with a little union jack in front of them, are now horrified that our country is to be reduced to this and both voted strongly to Remain.

daphnedill my post was in response to MaizeD who asked for examples.

I agree we need to make a good deal to benefit both the British and the EU. I do not see why we cannot do that. If the EU refuse to negotiate with us once we are out it will be to their loss. We will still be able to trade with EU countries without being in the EU.

Varians, I have two sons who are scientists, the third works for the Health Service. I know about co-operation with other countries. We can still do that after we leave. The same with security and passing on our intelligence about terrorists. None of that will stop.

The point is the other countries will have control. We will just have to follow their decisions. We will have given away the right to participate in the decision making.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4183930/The-White-Paper-sets-PM-s-Brexit-blueprint.html

It is not true that what the EU decide we will have to follow. We will also be able to co-operate with other countries such as Australia and New Zealand, something we cannot do at the moment. America too is happy to share knowledge with us as will EU countries, even though we will not be in the EU and bound by their decisions. At the moment we are out-voted too often by other countries in the EU. I do not think people have anything to be worried about.

Of course we can totally reject anything the EU offers. If the extreme right and left (if they existed but for balance you understand ) have their way that is exactly what will happen.

I see that Mark Carney has had to raise the uk growth forecast again
He forecast 1.4 per cent last November, now its 2 per cent.

Anyone think it acceptable that the White Paper was only given to opposition two minutes before the debate started, and that it was only published for the news after David Davis had given his speech?

I keep meaning to read it today but haven't had time yet. They won't be able to manipulate everything so easily as time goes on.

It was only passed at 4.17 this morning. No wonder they made a big mistake, saying that the UK has 14 weeks holiday a year.

I wish dj Maybe the 1 shouldn't have been infront of the 4 ?

I think they put two barcharts on the wrong pages. That's what happens when you are collating a report at 4 am.

Yes, saw on the news that Carney had raised the growth forcast again,good news.

I think that regardless of when the white paper came out, article 50 was always going to be passed at this stage when voted on, but it was passed by a huge number of MP's
More than expected.T May will be pleased.

So the following are details of the Article 50 condensed and issued to businesses in the U.K.

1. Freedom of Movement beyond 2019. The door is left open. It is clear that the government is unclear how it is going to gain control post Brexit. There is expected to be no boric although decrease in immigration, which may prove to be Toxic.

2. The UK will continue to pay significant amounts to the EU. Most of the money will stay in Brussels so that we can continue to participate e.g. cross border policing, scientific and research bodies, trading activities. Exit bill to cost €60bn

3. Elements of single market will be retained

4.No solution has been yet found for NI border.

5. EU arrest warrant to stay.

6. New customs union to be formed - the most massive and costly task ever.

7. Commitmentment to keep all existing trade schedules.

That should read " no noticeable decrease in immigration

Still we have our sovereignty - #clutching at straws

I forgot to make it clear that the white paper made it clear that at no stage ever did the UK loose any of its sovereignty to the EU