Article 50

We already trade with South Africa, and guess what? The EU hasn't stopped us...

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Free movement between Irish Republic and UK dates back to a time before the two countries joined the EU

LOL it goes back much further than that!

Britain and Ireland have a relationship of kinship , much as the Scandinavian countries do.

I'm sure I've got South African grapes and wine in my fridge.

Looks like about 20 years of expensive and difficult negotiating to me
We are going to start trade talks now with South Africa so that it's already to go in 2 years time. And the eu know that there's bugger all they can do about it.

Keir Starmer said it was a wish list, not an action plan.
We don't always get what we wish for, do we?

Breiteers are not going to get what they want about EU migration either.

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/no-instant-cut%e2%80%8b-eu-migration-brexit/

Looks like about 20 years worth of expensive and difficult negotiating to me.
The Irish question means that whatever anyone suggests re borders, customs and immigration will come up against big problems
Free movement between Irish Republic and UK dates back to a time before the two countries joined the EU. This includes the right to vote in all elections, which is different to the rest of the EU. The open border between N and S is part of the Good Friday agreement.
And as to customs - a lorry full of N Ireland beef, travelling to France, via Dublin port, would have to cross a border into the South, then another border into the UK at Holyhead, then another border at the French coast. Currently they can drive through with no customs tariffs or paperwork. The ports are not designed to cope with long queues.

I found it quite strange listening to David Davis saying our best years are yet to come.
He's been an MP since 1987, was John Major's Minister of State for Europe from 1994 to 1997.
He's been chair of the public accounts committee, chairman of the Conservative party, and various other chairs.
Cameron didn't rate him much.
And he's older than me!
What's he been doing if he expects things to get better?

I forgot to make it clear that the white paper made it clear that at no stage ever did the UK loose any of its sovereignty to the EU

That should read " no noticeable decrease in immigration

Still we have our sovereignty - #clutching at straws

So the following are details of the Article 50 condensed and issued to businesses in the U.K.

1. Freedom of Movement beyond 2019. The door is left open. It is clear that the government is unclear how it is going to gain control post Brexit. There is expected to be no boric although decrease in immigration, which may prove to be Toxic.

2. The UK will continue to pay significant amounts to the EU. Most of the money will stay in Brussels so that we can continue to participate e.g. cross border policing, scientific and research bodies, trading activities. Exit bill to cost €60bn

3. Elements of single market will be retained

4.No solution has been yet found for NI border.

5. EU arrest warrant to stay.

6. New customs union to be formed - the most massive and costly task ever.

7. Commitmentment to keep all existing trade schedules.

I think that regardless of when the white paper came out, article 50 was always going to be passed at this stage when voted on, but it was passed by a huge number of MP's
More than expected.T May will be pleased.

Yes, saw on the news that Carney had raised the growth forcast again,good news.

I think they put two barcharts on the wrong pages. That's what happens when you are collating a report at 4 am.

I wish dj Maybe the 1 shouldn't have been infront of the 4 ?

It was only passed at 4.17 this morning. No wonder they made a big mistake, saying that the UK has 14 weeks holiday a year.

I keep meaning to read it today but haven't had time yet. They won't be able to manipulate everything so easily as time goes on.

Anyone think it acceptable that the White Paper was only given to opposition two minutes before the debate started, and that it was only published for the news after David Davis had given his speech?

I see that Mark Carney has had to raise the uk growth forecast again
He forecast 1.4 per cent last November, now its 2 per cent.

Of course we can totally reject anything the EU offers. If the extreme right and left (if they existed but for balance you understand ) have their way that is exactly what will happen.

It is not true that what the EU decide we will have to follow. We will also be able to co-operate with other countries such as Australia and New Zealand, something we cannot do at the moment. America too is happy to share knowledge with us as will EU countries, even though we will not be in the EU and bound by their decisions. At the moment we are out-voted too often by other countries in the EU. I do not think people have anything to be worried about.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4183930/The-White-Paper-sets-PM-s-Brexit-blueprint.html

The point is the other countries will have control. We will just have to follow their decisions. We will have given away the right to participate in the decision making.

Varians, I have two sons who are scientists, the third works for the Health Service. I know about co-operation with other countries. We can still do that after we leave. The same with security and passing on our intelligence about terrorists. None of that will stop.