Article 50

Why would I ( or Mair ) say that?
Ken Clarke just happens to be a patronising smug git.

You would say that wouldn't you how about hge he surely qualifies.

Good orator I thought. All power to his elbow.

I am afraid ( even if he is saying something reasonably sensible, which he does every so often) I cannot stand Ken Clarke ! A case of instant hackles.

Ken Clarke is surely Britains most arrogant pompous patronising politician.

Thought Ken Clarke's speech was good

Before voting to trigger Article 50, MPs would do well to reflect on how many of the 37% of the electorate who voted to leave actually believed these assurances that we would not be leaving the single market. I think they should listen to these lies and ask how many of the 37% were taken in by them.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/open-britain-video-single-market-nigel-farage-anna-soubry_uk_582ce0a0e4b09025ba310fce

Jess said

Yes indeed its all foreign students but the EU students spend their money the same and non EU
Youd need to provide evidence for that claim.
You see Jess there are important differences, most Third country nationals who come here to study at university are from well off families, not all, but many.
EU students on the other hand pay lower fees , can get a student loan if theyve been here three years, and also are free to work while studying. They dont need to be wealthy. If they are supported by monies earned in this country they are not foreign currency earners, thus are NO BENEFIT.

And remember that the vast majority do not have a student loan

Again you need to provide evidence???
Many come here and work for a few years learning English and building up 'residency' so they can get a student loan.

And dont ignore the availability of the many 'racist' scholarships and bursaries historically available to numerous named BME groups but not native Brits (or unfavoured ethnic groups). They would be illegal today but apparently are acceptable when set up under historical legacies.

Ana said

I thought we were talking about students who just disappeared at the end of their course, and didn't make any interest payments, never mind the capital

We are. I dont know where Daphne has got her deluded notions that EU students who do not pay back the capital are nevertheless happily paying back interest!
As if!!!!!

I suppose the Student Loan Company covers itself for non-repayment of loans and/or interest by insurance. Bet the premiums are high!

Yes indeed its all foreign students but the EU students spend their money the same and non EU. So even if you are bored with bashing on about the fees - they make a substantial contribution to that remaining £10billion. And remember that the vast majority do not have a student loan. (Are we bored with that red herring yet?)

Sorry ......not sure what happened there as I was on an entirely different thread and the page quivered and I was back here!

Is this another serious question or just musings.

That should say "fees" not feed

That is for international students though Jess where figures are lumped together with EU and non EU students, non EU paying a huge amount more.It also mentions especially India China and USA when talking of monies.

£38m not k, Jess.

Very sensitive this morning daphnedill! I for one am simply trying to get to the bottom of the question of whether any part of the £38m of student loans handed out to European students has been repaid.

Wondering how much unpaid student loans by UK citizens who emigrate.
£38k is a tiny amount when compared to the amount of money that the UK earns by welcoming foreign students. They are, effectively an export. As well as their feed they spend a lot of money in uk businesses.
One estimate of this total benefit to UK income is £14 billion. £4 billion of this was fees.
Maybe this link will help you to understand better.

institutions.ukcisa.org.uk/Info-for-universities-colleges--schools/Policy-research--statistics/Policy-and-lobbying/Impact-of-international-students/

Yes, we were talking of the EU students who failed to make any repayments.

That was to dd above.

Well, you have said it thrice ( like Humpty Dumpty) so it must be true!

I thought we were talking about students who just disappeared at the end of their course, and didn't make any interest payments, never mind the capital.

Anyway, daphnedill has work to do #playgroundbullytactics

No, daphnedill is not confused!

Graduates do pay interest, even if the original loan is never paid back. The amount they pay out of their incomes is almost all interest.

Student loans aren't like other loans such as a mortgage. They are more like a graduate tax.

The reason so little is being paid back at the the moment is because we have had wage stagnation, particularly in the public sector, which is where many graduates work. If there is wage inflation in the future, more will be paid back, but inflation causes problems in other areas.

It would seem so.