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Article 50

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Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 14:36:09

Well its been announced that Jeremy Corbyn is applying a three line whip to his MPs to make them support the triggering of article 50.

I admire Jeremy for this, it's an act of leadership, and it could save Labours bacon in the many Northern Brexit seats that they hold, so in that sense I am not entirely pleased because it will weaken UKIPs chances. It will also weaken Paul Nuttalls chances in Stoke.

What do the Bremain Labour supporters on GN feel about this?

rosesarered Sat 28-Jan-17 10:04:38

Not many people can get on with Neil Hamilton.

JessM Sat 28-Jan-17 09:58:38

UKIP have got a tiny membership. I think it was about 30k had a vote in their leadership election. So it has not been either member subs or member campaigning activity that have got them votes in the PR elections where they have succeeded.
Their success so far has been down to two things - Arron Banks funding them lavishly and Nigel Farage's success in getting media attention and playing to people's fears.
Nuttal would not be allowed to be an MEP and and MP.
Nathan Gill is an MEP and a member of the Welsh Sennedd. However he is not allowed to claim both salaries tax free is my understanding.
He's stopped being UKIP in the Assembly because he cant get on with Neil Hamilton and is not showing up.
Google Nathan Two Jobs Gill for the sordid saga.

Anniebach Sat 28-Jan-17 09:55:09

So people should be stopped from running for office because of the thoughts of some of their supporters .

Very biblical , I think it was St Paul who said the thought was as sinful as the deed .

If this was true I am guilty as any murderer

Jalima Sat 28-Jan-17 09:53:03

And before you link - Nuttall has said he would probably be OK with torture if it prevented a terrorist attack, Suzanne Evans is against it.

rosesarered Sat 28-Jan-17 09:52:56

I was just about to post the same comment Jalima ( was that a serious question djen.... surely not.)

Carolest59 Sat 28-Jan-17 09:52:41

If she's got any sense she won't agree to any so called 'amendments" on free movement etc and the single market as this is not want the brexit voters wanted.also Cameron and Osborne made it quite clear on tv etc that if we voted to leave we would be leaving the single market and the customs union.Why can the remoaners not accept this???

Jalima Sat 28-Jan-17 09:50:07

Why are UKIP allowed to stand for office?
Because we live in a democracy?

It said 'UKIP supporters' not members
Do people always tell the truth in a poll?
Most pools have been wildly inaccurate anyway

It's how you tell'em

Mair Sat 28-Jan-17 09:49:35

I never placed my trust in anyone in the Leave campaign.

But you did in Remain? hmm

grin

whitewave Sat 28-Jan-17 09:42:38

So do we add Torture to the UKIP list of Fors dj?

durhamjen Sat 28-Jan-17 00:21:22

Why are UKIP allowed to stand for office?
A majority of their members think torture is acceptable.

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/01/only-a-majority-of-ukip-voters-believe-that-torture-works-according-to-survey/

varian Fri 27-Jan-17 20:54:58

I never placed my trust in anyone in the Leave campaign. They told a pack of lies, but sadly some did.

Jalima Fri 27-Jan-17 20:52:24

Wrong choice of Labour candidate for Stoke if the constituency is so much in favour of Leave.

Mair Fri 27-Jan-17 20:51:12

Not very bright to think he could get away with that was he!

Indeed not someone in whose judgement it would be wise to place your trust!

durhamjen Fri 27-Jan-17 20:50:10

When I was fifteen, I didn't know anything about politics.

This is interesting. Labour Leave is trying to get a Ukip vote in Stoke, because obviously, they want us to leave.
Labour Leave is funded by Tory donors.
politicalscrapbook.net/2017/01/labour-leave-try-and-boost-ukips-chances-in-stoke-with-a-voodoo-poll/

varian Fri 27-Jan-17 20:48:36

Owen Paterson, speaking for the Leave campaign, told us all before the referendum "only a madman would actually want to leave the (single) market."

Not very bright to think he could get away with that was he!

Mair Fri 27-Jan-17 20:41:18

DJ said
They do, on the terms that exist now.
However, if the UK is allowed to have free trade without free movement of people, why shouldn't the other countries object?

Why should they?
They want freedom of movement and 'ever closer union', do they not? Doesn't immigration bring them 'enormous benefits'?

If the answer is no, then who does want it and why enforce it against the will of the people?

DJ then said (rudely):
"Grow up, Mair, and start thinking"

The irony of that remark, coming from someone whose politics has set in the mould it was formed in at the age of, well, maybe fifteen, will not escape more thoughtful readers.hmm

Jalima Fri 27-Jan-17 20:36:24

Some not very bright sparks on here, either, whitewave.
and some very humourless posters

Leave you to it.

stillaliveandkicking Fri 27-Jan-17 20:33:16

Some armchair politicians too so it seems (yawn).

durhamjen Fri 27-Jan-17 20:26:32

Some not very bright sparks on here, either, whitewave.

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/01/why-the-snp-leaders-question-at-pmqs-today-was-key-to-britains-future/

This is more important than Paterson. Angus Robertson linking EU and US, very cleverly. May didn't answer. Pleased I'm a vegetarian.

stillaliveandkicking Fri 27-Jan-17 20:25:48

Oh come on whitewave, silly is as silly does and my message was quite clear, not about post Brexit now was it.

Jalima Fri 27-Jan-17 20:20:52

I could get arrested
Although anything goes these days.

Anyway, I voted Remain so I may not march grin

But - Que Sera Sera is my song and my mantra.
Otherwise I end up with very high blood pressure.

rosesarered Fri 27-Jan-17 20:19:46

Not according to some grin at least wear an Anna or Elsa wig though.

stillaliveandkicking Fri 27-Jan-17 20:17:39

wear what you like Jalima, we live in a democracy after all.

Jalima Fri 27-Jan-17 20:16:37

Do we have to dress up in Elsa costumes?

I don't think the DGD's costumes will fit me

stillaliveandkicking Fri 27-Jan-17 20:15:02

Scratching the words in with my bayonet right now grin