Article 50

And the chattering classes of trendy Islington may have rejected someone who was not Labour.

Because he would have been out of his comfort zone - as he is now.

Corbyn voted against the party whip 428 times - which begs the question:
Why did he not stand as an Independent?

I've just read this thread - didn't realise what direction it had taken.
Just to repeat what I've written elsewhere - I think he's made a poor choice of when to put his foot down. He should have done it before on other issues, but not this one which should be a non-party issue.
I think it was a big mistake.

It doesn't matter, suzied. Are you saying he can never say what the Labour Party line is because he voted with his conscience?

Corbyn voted against the party whip 428 times

Errrmmm...

Since when has varian been hard left?

Corbyn's 3 line whip is a bit of a joke as he voted against 3 line whips loads of times.

We are also not going to be told the cost/benefit analysis of the negotiations, because it might help our competitors.

www.indy100.com/article/article-50-theresa-may-leaving-eu-fake-news-7548006

Brilliant. Article 50 is not going to cost us anything.

I agree, Welshwife.

What I can't understand is why, if we are leaving the EU and do not want free trade or free movement of people, it seems okay to go to the US and try for the same deal with them?
We already trade with the US.

Fair enough - when you belong to a club you abide by the rules.
I am still pro EU as they do have their fall outs but resolve them in a reasonably friendly way and do not resort to trying to invade anyone's country! That was the main reason for setting it up all those years ago. No one wanted that again and for a hundreds of years there had been one war after another in Europe. I am not suggesting for a minute that if it all broke up there would be another war as hopefully by so many years of co-operation lessons have been learned, but being interdependent does make it even less likely.

They do, on the terms that exist now.
However, if the UK is allowed to have free trade without free movement of people, why shouldn't the other countries object?

Grow up, Mair, and start thinking.

The PM of Malta made it absolutely clear that the terms the UK has after leaving the EU must be worse than we have as a member

When I read that I thought that Malta had resurrected Mintoff!

So, after all those years of close links between the UK and Malta, we know exactly where they stand.

(But it must be true because durhamjen said so! )

Yes, I'm very surprised to hear that if the UK is given better terms, then every other country will want to leave.

I was under the impression that all the other members absolutely welcomed being part of an ever-closer union...

Jo Sephens MP for Cardiff Central has resigned from the shadow cabinet

If we are given better terms, then every other country will want to leave

Crikey is the EU that unpopular???



And there we were being told it brings enormous benefits!

It should be compulsory reading for all MPs before they vote to trigger Article 50.

The hard left do love a bit of 'compulsion'!!!

I agree with the PM of Malta. If we are given better terms, then every other country will want to leave. You can ask for better conditions to persuade you to stay, which is what Cameron did, but not to leave.

Thank you for this link, DJ. It should be compulsory reading for all MPs before they vote to trigger Article 50.

I was also shocked to hear Brexit secretary David Davis say he DOES NOT KNOW whether or not Article 50 is irrevocable. Surley this has to be established before we drive off the cliff. If, once triggered, it cannot be revoked that means we have to accept whatever dreadful terms that are set by the other 27 countries.

The PM of Malta made it absolutely clear that the terms the UK has after leaving the EU must be worse than we have as a member. Some of those who voted Leave want out at any cost but many others believed the assurances from the Leave campaign that nobody was threatening to take us out of the single market and will be shocked at the prospect of the hard brexit now being proposed.

www.citizen-nowhere.com/

Article 50

Ana
What have recent posts got to do with the OP?

Diversion Ana!
They're discombobulated by Corbyn, furious about Brexit.
They simply don't know what to think!

I'd be grateful if you could point out where I can find a UKIP manifesto

Google is your friend WW.

We are on the move. Some days I wonder if we are about to be decimated (literally) by a plague or similar as this must all be leading up to something.