Article 50

Being fearful of more immigrants does not mean all who fear thrm are racists, I have no idea what it's like to live in an area where there are a large number of immigrants and I abhor racism but I am able to understand why people do not want immigrants .

I wish those who dismiss all as racists had the ability to do the same.

I do know how these people feel when they experience the loss of their community

I do not object to controlled immigration, but what the EU want us to do is just madness. When borders are open it is not just EU people who come here it is everybody who wants a new life, and some who want a new life where they get everything they need but do not pay a penny towards it. When you get mass immigration of people who are willing to work for a pittance then that brings other people's wages down and you get a downwards spiral in to poverty. We should only admit people who we need, nurses for example, but we should also invest in our own people and train them up first.

Tuition fees are a bone of contention too. How can our own children reach their full potential if they are saddled with a 50 thousand pound debt which will only be repaid when they are pensioners like us? Most graduates are employed in jobs that offer more than 21 thousand pounds so they are more or less having to pay the tuition fees/loans back straight away after they qualify from University. Now it Mrs May's opportunity to invest in our own youngsters instead of sending money off to countries who do not need it.

So as you can tell I voted to leave the EU.

I believe that Mrs May should get on and start the ball rolling. I think there should be an inquiry on how we were conned in the first place and our country signed away by Ted Heath when they knew EXACTLY what it would lead to. The History of the EU gives all the details and you can google it as I did. If you need a link I can supply it.

Farmers can find people here who are willing to pick fruit or veg. My nephew was one of them. The problem is that a lot of these farmers are exploiting immigrants and paying less than the minimum wage. Our people are not lazy they just do not want to be exploited.

I think we have treated our Commonwealth people really badly. I am surprised they want anything more to do with us.

I think our Armed Forces have been deliberately cut to the bone so that we could be absorbed in to this EU Army, which we seem to have escaped with the skin of our teeth.

Now after years of running our steel industry down because it is not cost affective we are being told that British steel has a lot to offer! More lies from Cameron et al.

Hopefully Stoke will grab Nutel then there will be another UKIP member to keep tabs on the Government. Stoke was deliberately run down by Cameron and the Pottery industries which have been there since Victorian days have all but gone now, some are coming back thank goodness. Most of the people were on their uppers after that happened. No alternate being given by the government for work. The same happened with the steel industry. Give people a job and they will drag themselves out of poverty. Give them pride and they will take pride in their communities.

I cannot wait for BREXIT to be triggered. Thank God we got our country back from the brink. We are already seeing that our country can manage on its own. All those who preached doom and gloom must see that it will be good for this country in the long run.

Jalima, you are right, never assume that people who pick fruit are all uneducated. My nephew who I mentioned has an MEng(Hons) in engineering, he lives in Paris now and he speaks fluent French.

I do agree with you sometimes DJ

There are times when we all feel negative.

Personally I do not think it is right to take the 'Brightest ad the Best' from poor countries. How will they manage without them? We should educate our own who are bright enough.

Maybe if people had not gone to Glastonbury and went instead to vote the Remainers might have won the Referendum, but I am very pleased they didn't.

A lot of the doom and gloom of leaving the EU has not materialised, that is because they were mostly lies by the Government to manipulate the people to vote to stay with the EU. Cameron should be ashamed of his performance re: negotiating our terms. He was a complete failure, but he would/could not admit it so he ran like a scared rabbit.

When borders are open it is not just EU people who come here it is everybody who wants a new life, and some who want a new life where they get everything they need but do not pay a penny towards it.

I really cannot for the life of me work out what you are saying here, Yorkshiregel.

We don't have open borders to anyone apart from EU citizens and even they are only entitled to be here if they have a job.

Who are these people who want a new life where they get everything they need without paying a penny for it?

The clever nephew who works as an engineer has had a great career opportunity to move to a job in Paris because presumably he is a British citizen and free to move to another EU country which offers him a job.

If the brexiteers have their way our grandchildren will never have this opportunity.

Two good posts there Yorkshiregel

Totally agree with you Yorkshiregel, well said.

'A lot of doom and gloom has not materialised' we are actually still in the European union. The pound has already plummeted food is more expensive. I feel very sorry for those many people who voted to leave who are very likely to be even worse off in the short term. Yes long term it might well work out to our advantage. Let's keep our fingers crossed. And in answer to previous post yes I grew up in Stoke and still have family there. They have been badly let down by successive governments.

What have tuition fees to do with the EU, Yorkshiregel?

Yorkshiregel I hate to break it to you but we have not begun to see the "doom and gloom" yet because we are still inside the EU
Unless perhaps you have tried a foreign holiday and found your money doesn't go nearly so far as it did.

I'd also like to know how leaving the EU is going to have any effect on tuition fees, except put them up. EU grants are subsidising UK universities. Since when did the UK send foreign aid to EU countries?

Have been on a day return to Yorkshire from Essex today, so too tired to reply to your post, Yorkshiregel, but you seem somewhat confused.

1. My Grandson married and moved to Europe to be with his wife. It was nothing to do with the EU.

2. Are you denying that the Remoaners were not predicting that there would be a recession if we said we wanted to come out of the EU. We voted to come out and the pound has not dropped because of it. The indecision is what is causing the wobble. If the Remoaners stopped moaning we would see the pound shoot up. As it is we are not doing so badly are we, all the banks and industry bosses are confident that we can go it alone.

3. If you cannot work out that people from Sudan and other non-EU countries can cross open borders then there is no hope of convincing you otherwise so I will not even try. It is possible at the moment to get on a train ie Eurostar, and come right in to London without checks. That is only one example. Another is that if you fly from say Paris in a private jet you can also get in to London without checks being made. Work it out.

People who want to come here for a new life with benefits are the people who can come through these borders unchecked or in the back of a lorry parked on our motorway service stations. You see them in all our big cities.

Well if your grandson hasn't taken the nationality of his adoptive country Yorkshiregel he'd better watch out or he might be on his way home soon.
The pound has not dropped ???? What planet are you living on? It dropped to it's lowest for over 30 years and is slowly creeping up again. I was actually quite glad I didn't cash my euros in between holidays because they were worth more eventually. I got 1.50 to the pound it's now about 1.20
Where on earth do you get your ideas about people entering this country without checks-it's rubbish. And how do you imagine coming out of the EU will solve the immigration problem, without the French housing and holding immigrants in camps they might well be over here. We simply don't have the resources to monitor every port and beach in the UK. So if you are worried about immigration now be prepared for more when we exit, unless the French agree to keep our borders for us.

As far as Article 50 goes I am writing to my MP asking her to defy the three line whip and vote against the bill so complying with the wishes of most of her constituents. So I think Corbyn was wrong and should have allowed a free vote.

Are you really from Yorkshire, Yorkshiregel?
I am from Hull, where immigrants were accepted over centuries.
Many came in to travel on to the USA and stayed in Yorkshire, not having realised what a lovely county it was. They thought Hull and Liverpool were quite close.

Yes, I am from Yorkshire, and not far from you durhamjen however because of my father's work (Armed Forces) we left when I was 12yrs old. I started to live on the Shropshire/Staffordshire border when I married. My heart is in Yorkshire, I still have relatives living in Yorkshire but I do not live there anymore although I visit often. Beautiful county and I am proud to have been born there.

I didn't say tuition fees had anything to do with the EU, but the money saved from not having to send vast amounts every day to the EU could pay for our own children to be university educated free of charge and so fill the gap when it comes to employing nurses and doctors, at the moment we rely on too many from overseas. I think people should stay in their own country and make their country a better place to live in.

Writing to your MP will not make one ha'porth of difference when it comes to the vote to trigger Article50 because the decision has already been made......ie we voted out in a legal Referendum and out it will be.

As for doom and gloom, didn't you even do your homework before the Referendum? Didn't you see all the doom and gloom forecasts we got from people such as Richard Branson, the Banks, in short those who haven't read the history of the EU and didn't realise what their ultimate aims were?

It is people like these remoaners who are causing the uncertainty. They should start believing in their country and what it is capable of, pull together, and stop moaning about things that will never happen. We are LEAVING! Nothing will stop that.

Still, if you don't like it there is plenty of time, ie two years, for you to pack up and go and live in the EU.

Whitewave two for Business and one for Psychology. Whether farmers want brightest or not is not an issue because all fruit pickers likely to be paid minimum wage. However it is entry level jobs and not just fruit picking that are in short measure for UK citizens because of the rush of rapid and unrestricted immigration from EU. There are lots of UK citizens who would love jobs even paid on minimum wage in areas of country with higher unemployment. There are also issues with public services such as GP surgeries and schools not keeping pace with the rush of rapid immigration. Unfortunately immigrants do not come with a funding package that can be used to build more resources that they will need to live here. Immigration is not problem in itself. it is the volume of immigration over last 15 years that has caused hardship to many, Eg my father in law had to wait 10 days to get Dr appointment as he lives in area of high immigration. Many immigrants seem to have above average children so Dr appointments difficult to book, school places shortage often follows. It is not a coincidence that the areas of the country that experience shortages of services due to rapid immigration were areas to vote Brexit. Areas that voted remain not experiencing shortage/hardship to same extent.

Anya I did read just one of your post and misinterpreted, sorry have now read more and largely agree with you.

I might end up doing that, Yorkshiregel, if my family go to Denmark and Spain and I end up being the only one left here.
Why would any remainer believe anything the arch leaver Branson said? All he does is take money out of our NHS to the BVI without paying tax on it.
When the UK leaves the EU, there will be no money left for student grants. All the money we will not pay to the EU has been spent ten times over by the Brexiteers without even thinking about student grants. I can't see farmers giving up all that money so students can get grants.

newnanny, whilst I agree that people in areas of high numbers of immigrants could be expected to vote to leave, but it doesn't explain why the area where I live voted to leave, so rural we have more sheep than people and more mountains than towns , we don't even have a city

Each to his own choice. My choice is to remain in UK and support my country.

Branson by the way does not live in UK, he lives on a private island in the Carrabean so his views should not count anyway imo....nor should the views of people who abandoned this country to live elsewhere. I can understand that they want to keep their pension that they earned, ok with that, but why should they be able to dictate what happens here in UK when they live abroad?

I do not understand the worries of people who think that we will be poorer when we leave the EU. We are sending £millions to them every day in contributions, but add to that the fines and the demands for extras that the EU keeps sending and add it to the amount we give in overseas aid then it all adds up to a lot of money that could be spent on farmers AND students' education. Yes, the EU is overseas so we are sending double amounts of overseas aid aren't we.

When people say that the EU pays for this and that it is not strictly correct. We send money to the EU, they then send a % back (telling us what we must spend it on) so it is our own money we are using. I object to hard working people in this country having to work all hours so that we can send money to the EU which is spent on countries such as India, which can afford to send rockets in to space, or China which is doing very well anyway without our money. A LOT of overseas aid is just wasted or creamed off by corrupt governments.

I believe our own youngsters, pensioners, working people should come first in line when it comes to aid. What we have left we could then send to places where we know it will be spent wisely. I do not object to supporting building schools or giving mosquito nets or animals or trees to help people out, but we should NEVER send money imo which could be squandered away.

But I digress, sorry. Once Article50 is triggered people will have to make up their own mind where they want to be and what they want to spend where.

DJ I am puzzled as to why you describe Branson (I presume you mean Richard Branson) as an arch leaver when he appears to be supporting a campaign to stop brexit.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/21/sir-richard-branson-funding-new-campaign-group-fighting-brexit

Yes, RB has put £25,000 in to a fund to try to prevent Brexit so I am not sure why is would be described as an arch leaver

why he

I'm shocked - I thought everyone knew Branson was bankrolling an anti-Brexit campaign!