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Article 50

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Mair Thu 26-Jan-17 14:36:09

Well its been announced that Jeremy Corbyn is applying a three line whip to his MPs to make them support the triggering of article 50.

I admire Jeremy for this, it's an act of leadership, and it could save Labours bacon in the many Northern Brexit seats that they hold, so in that sense I am not entirely pleased because it will weaken UKIPs chances. It will also weaken Paul Nuttalls chances in Stoke.

What do the Bremain Labour supporters on GN feel about this?

stillaliveandkicking Sun 12-Feb-17 23:23:07

live.... poxy apple....

Jalima Sun 12-Feb-17 23:23:01

That is my ear worm now MawBroon grin

off to my real bed to read some fiction
moon

stillaliveandkicking Sun 12-Feb-17 23:22:48

whats with the music? i love a working class life in the heart of london, where are you lala land? smile

MawBroon Sun 12-Feb-17 23:20:24

But of course none of us "live real life*do we? confused
?"Is it the real world, is it just fantasy?" ?

durhamjen Sun 12-Feb-17 23:19:22

A strange idea that those who read articles don't live real lives. It's possible to do both. Better to do both in fact.
From the article.
'In the House of Commons, in the debate on the EU referendum Bill, the then Minister for Europe, David Lidington, told the House that “the legislation is about holding a vote; it makes no provision for what follows. The referendum is advisory” (Hansard, June 16 2015). Yet in the most barefaced manner and contrary both to the briefing and the government statement in the House, the Brexit cabal have treated the referendum outcome as binding and mandating, in defiance of the explicit nature of the Referendum Act itself.

This is just one of many major and serious lies on which the Brexit debacle is based. The Brexiters have made up the rules as they go along, changing them when expedient, saying one thing at one time and another at another, acting with the kind of dishonesty and duplicity that one expects only of thieves.'

Goves the lie to the fact that it wasn't advisory. Strange that Brexiters have conveniently missed that out in all the articles they have written.
It's in Hansard, so it is true.

MawBroon Sun 12-Feb-17 23:17:52

Perhaps you may want to "live" it a bit more rather than read an article Maw
Not in the slightest mutually exclusive , SAAK.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 12-Feb-17 23:15:26

No, I just watch things in real life to be honest. I don't go and read all the "articles" produced. Ive lived it. There is no article on this earth that would make me say from wanting to get out of the EU.

daphnedill Sun 12-Feb-17 23:10:33

Excellent, balanced article, Welshwife. Well worth reading - nothing 'ranty' about it. Thanks for posting.

MaizieD Sun 12-Feb-17 23:09:33

Well, you must read/have read something, surely, saak. Else how are you so certain that the EU is the cause of everything you perceive to be a problem?

Fitzy54 Sun 12-Feb-17 23:08:55

I did read the article and while I found it a bit of a rant, with more than a few daft comments, some good points were made. But on the general question - should remainders just shut up and accept the result - the answer must be why should they? It's a free country and, within reason, its up to them whether and when they want to shut up. Farage, I believe, prior to the result said he wouldn't accept a remain result unless it involved a 2/3rd majority.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 12-Feb-17 23:00:08

Perhaps you may want to "live" it a bit more rather than read an article Maw?

MawBroon Sun 12-Feb-17 22:58:25

Im not one to read "articles" there are so many

Sadly, that is hardly the way be better informed.
Perhaps it says it all.
hmm

Welshwife Sun 12-Feb-17 22:55:59

You are talking the money it has cost - the article shows how much more it will cost UK to leave!!

stillaliveandkicking Sun 12-Feb-17 22:50:44

Im not one to read "articles" there are so many. I just know what i want to happen and it is. Ive lived the EU for years, I also live in the heart of London still and have seen what it's done. Ive seen with my own eyes!

durhamjen Sun 12-Feb-17 22:47:57

Retainers? Is that what we are?
Read the article, stillalive.

durhamjen Sun 12-Feb-17 22:47:02

I like this paragraph about David Davis.

'One of the Brexiters, David Davis, says publicly in replies to correspondents to his Department for Exiting the European Union that the 51.9% referendum majority is “clear, overwhelming and unarguable”. When the Supreme Court had to be called in to require the government to have a Parliamentary debate about triggering Article 50, and it voted 8-3 – a 73% majority – he said publicly that this majority is “tenuous”. This is precisely representative of the degree of intellectual honesty at work in the Brexit mentality.'

Says it all really.

stillaliveandkicking Sun 12-Feb-17 22:32:03

Its not about "giving in" its about respecting the majority rule then being positive about it. More damage is being done by retainers trying to fight their corner. It's costing a bloody fortune and will never ever come to be. Did anyone ever teach you to be a good loser?

Welshwife Sun 12-Feb-17 22:28:32

Several times people who are ardent Brexiteers have asked why those of us who voted to remain have not just rolled over and given in. Here is a link to a rather long article will - if you can manage to read it all - might give you an idea.

from : www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the_uk_is_being_stolen_4_reasons_we_are_still_angry_about_brexit_1_4887284

Jalima Sun 12-Feb-17 11:14:17

I think you're getting my post mixed up with someone else's GGMKII

yes, I thought it was a bit daft, not up to JessM's usual insightful standards! But we all have off moments, no offence meant, sorry, at least it made me smile.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 11-Feb-17 23:30:31

thrust not trust, definitely not trust.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 11-Feb-17 23:29:44

Daft Jalima? It was someone's opinion. Daft or rather childish is You might be sad but there are millions of us who are cockahoop. It will actually be about half the country plus or minus, and not all of them will be "cockahoop" but just trying to get on with life as each day they realise that what they voted for never existed. The majority of the country will be getting on with trying to make it work for the best now it has been trust upon them.

Jalima Sat 11-Feb-17 23:18:38

Another busy European city with young people and some middle aged, from all over Europe
It was rather a daft thing to say hmm

Jalima Sat 11-Feb-17 23:17:17

^ Another busy European city with young people and some middle aged, from all over Europe^ Well, of course! A lot of people visit Dublin for weekends. I hope that old people are welcome too.

There is quite a lot of racism in Ireland - perhaps not in Dublin which is more cosmopolitan.

durhamjen Sat 11-Feb-17 23:15:30

How sad, petra, and petty.

petra Sat 11-Feb-17 23:05:04

jessM You might be sad but there are millions of us who are cockahoop.