The Trump presidency

MaizieD "I think, Chewbacca, that it seems to be the will of the people that our Queen doesn't have to meet Trump. Is that a better reason for not inviting him to?"

POGS Ah, that makes my case about the hypocrisy of the EU Referendum . 'The will of the People voted to Leave' did it not. Talk about pick and choose when to use 'The Will of the people'

Oh dear, POGs. The sarcasm was completely lost on you, it seems.
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It's been said several times before on GN...

dd 14.25

But it wouldn't be better. From the UK's point of view, it most certainly won't be better. We have a trade surplus and Trump wants to abolish trade deficits (from the US's POV). US exporters are champing at the bit to sell the UK cheap hormone-filled, chlorine washed, soy-fed foodstuffs and get their hands on the NHS and the UK pharmaceuticals market.

If we say this often enough do you think people will believe us?

Or do they not particularly care that their vote could be endangering the health of their children and grandchildren by letting this stuff in; that even more of our industries will end up in foreign hands and that we could lose the National Health Service that we've all been so proud of and so grateful for?

We won't be tearing up all our regulations in regard to accepting any old foodstuffs.

Of course we will. That will be a key negotiating point for them. We need them more than they need us. We cannot hold out for 'our regulations' if we want our goods to be let into their markets.

Which vote is this, now? The USA presidential one?

Or...Brexit, yet again? Wrong thread.

I'm afraid I don't think they will.

It's been written enough, even before Trump and Brexit, in reliable media - I seriously wonder if people care.

They can afford to put a steak on their plate and blame health tourism/managers/agency staff/inefficiency/drunks/immigrants/llamas (ok! I made that one up), when they can't get a doctor's appointment the next day. Those who have worked hard all their lives and saved (not like these youngsters), can afford private health care anyway . What more do they want?

We're still discussing America, as far as I can see.

I find this populist outrage against DT and his recent suspension of entry to some majority Muslim country travellers bemusing and hypocritical.
I never have liked DT, however, if there was someone in my town who blamed me for everything, constantly said they hated me, chanted 'down with me' and damaged my property (flag burning), then I certainly would want extra checks on all of them before I let any of them into my house, wouldn't you?
What I find hypocritical too is the fact that almost (if not all) Muslim countries have had a blanket ban on Jews entering their countries for years, no matter which country they come from. In some of the mainly Muslim countries even if you are not Jewish, but have visited Israel and have the visa stamp in your passport, you are banned. It is common for visitors to Isreal either to have two passports or to ask immigration not to stamp your passport. Where is the outrage for this?
Lots of other countries ban people for religious, cultural or political reasons without giving a reason. Apparently Saudi Arabia banned Syrian refugees for security reasons.
Unfortunately these issues cannot get hyped by the media, DT is the Baffoon of the moment and the fickle populous can be easily manipulated into the hypocritical frenzy that they are now in...protests and marches...pah!

One of the issues with TTIP, which the EU appears to have now sensibly abandoned, was that corporations could sue governments, if they introduced regulations which would have discriminated against the import of products which didn't meet health and safety guidelines. There is talk of reopening negotiations for a US/UK version of TTIP.

Has anyone been on this thread to explain away the bans put in place by Obama and others in the past?

So why not ban people from Pakistan or Afghanistan?

How many Muslim terrorist attacks have there been in the US, apart from 9/11? How real is the threat?

What effect do you think it could have on the people in those seven countries? Is it good diplomacy? Let's just hope it doesn't tip vulnerable people into being radicalised?

What would you think if you were described as a "bad dude" in a Tweet by one of the most powerful people in the world?

Sorry, but Trump is turning himself into a buffoon.

Maisie D

'Oh dear, POGs. The sarcasm was completely lost on you, it seems.'

So glad your words were only silly sarcasm and not worth much in that case.

I usually pick up on sarcasm but I thought you had meant what you said. Whirr click memory bank, think is this sense or sarcasm in future.

Sorry, but Trump is turning himself into a buffoon.
Turning?
Are you saying that he wasn't one before daphnedill?

Yeah! I thought that after I'd clicked 'Post message'.

Joelsnan

'What I find hypocritical too is the fact that almost (if not all) Muslim countries have had a blanket ban on Jews entering their countries for years, no matter which country they come from. In some of the mainly Muslim countries even if you are not Jewish, but have visited Israel and have the visa stamp in your passport, you are banned. It is common for visitors to Isreal either to have two passports or to ask immigration not to stamp your passport. Where is the outrage for this?'

Simple answer, there won't be outrage and I note you too use my favourite word ' hypocrisy' .

POGS

"I simply cannot get in a rage over a State Visit to be honest."

What can you get into a rage over?

Theresa May has always said that she wants us to be first and the best, etc. That's why she went to meet Trump within a week of him being elected, knowing what his promises had been in the election.
Why could she not have waited for another week, to find out what he would do in his first few days?
Does anyone think it would be right for her to go next Friday, knowing what we do now?

She got it over and done with. It would have been very awkward to back out at the last moment - given the circumstances I'd say T May got it right.

We've got Brownie points if we choose to cash them in and she doesn't have a visit to Trump-land expected of her anytime in the near future.

I'm afraid you will never get an answer from certain people on here about anything controversial about people or regimes they approve of! I too wonder why there were no protests at Obama's block on Iraqis in 2011, his failure to shut down Guantanamo Bay? Arab countries block on Jews entering their countries, even visitors to Israel!! Where were the protesters when Russia over ran the Crimea? and as for the unfortunate Dalai Lama, well who cares about that bit of land grabbing!! Democracy under threat in HongKong despite binding agreements, hey ho, who cares about that?!! Double standards are very much alive and well particularly on the moral high ground!!

nigglynellie

Yes, some easily mount the populist moral outrage bandwagon when teased by biased media propaganda. DT has crated his Baffoon image, but he is the elected POTUS. If he had signed an order to start ethnic cleansing as other countries have done without this level of outrage then we could justifiably condem.

Good post Joelsnan and Ana no, not surprisingly, nobody has commented on Obamas ban on muslims! Which was for 6 months.
All this tosh about chlorine washed meat going to be forced down our grandchildrens throats. nice to see that hysteria and paranoia and propaganda are alive and well and living on Gransnet.

I did actually give a link earlier about the difference between what Trump has done and what Obama did. Obviously none of you could be bothered to read it.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/no-barack-obama-jimmy-carter-9717520

I was out and couldn't be bothered to look back over the thread. Which is why I asked if anyone had responded...

Obviously no one else had read your link either, not just the ones you're getting at.

Are you going to read it, roses, or do you want spoonfeeding?

No chlorine washed meat going to be forced down my grandchildren's throats. They've never eaten meat in their lives, thank heavens.
I just feel sorry for the rest. It could increase the number of vegetarians, which will be a good thing.