The Trump presidency

How do you work out that nobody else has read the link, Ana? They don't need to say so. I won't wilt without feedback.

No one wants spoonfeeding durhamjen, which is why most of your links are ignored.

Try putting the information in your own words for a change instead of just saying 'This is interesting' when it might, or might not be, depending on the point of view of the reader.

There is the problem of Pakistan and Israel,

daphnedill How real is the threat ! Fort Hood, Little Rock, Garland, New York, Boston etc i would say that is pretty real, wouldnt you ?

Durhamjen beware, the media moguls have got Trump between their teeth and will do all the can to depose him. Have you seen any image in the media that does not show him grimacing. I am no Dan of Trump but can see what us going on. Murdoch et al are having a field day.

IT was the media that coined the inflammatory term #muslimban, when there was no actual reference to Muslims in the EO that Trump signed.

So, Ana, you ask for information, I give it to you, and you don't want to read it because you might find something you don't want to know in it.
Nothing new there, then. Not going to spoonfeed you.

Lordy! If Murdoch is anti-Trump things really are in a mess!

How on earth did you twist that meaning from my post durhamjen?

(Don't bother to reply, I know it's your usual form of attack)

I don't think anyone on here wants you to spoonfeed them dj! A rather patronising assumption that they might! My grandchildren all eat meat with gusto as do we all. However we do use the local butcher, expensive but ethical.
I don't think you can compare eight years of Obama with one week of Trump, I think you have to allow anyone a bit more time before attempting to depose them.

Media mogul Rupert Murdoch blames Roger Ailes, the former Fox News chairman and chief executive officer who resigned in July amid sexual harassment allegations, for “laying the groundwork” for Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, Fox sources told New York magazine. Murdoch is the executive chairman of the network’s parent company, 21st Century Fox.

except from US Newsweek

I have been thinking about this and we can protest, sign petitions, wave banners, show our disapproval of this man and his actions - but he has been elected as Head of State by the people of his own country and now inaugurated as POTUS.

As America is an ally and we have close links with them; it is normal for a new POTUS to be invited for a State visit whether we like this particular one or not. Our Head of State has had to entertain all kinds of people, many of whom she may well despise, profoundly disagree with but, for the sake of diplomacy, she has to entertain these people whatever her private views. She could well express her dismay to him and perhaps he would listen to her.

Prince Charles was apparently warned not to lecture Trump on climate change as Trump could 'erupt'. Really? That could be very interesting indeed if it happened.

We didn't elect him, we can disagree with him and this visit would be a perfect opportunity for the Government to privately express their dismay to him; he will not come alone and some of his people may well be more prepared to listen.

And in fact the best thing for people to do would be to ignore him as he may well think that streets full of people waving banners are welcoming him here.

I wonder, too, what the people of America who voted for him think now - are they happy with his actions or dismayed that he is going too far?

If he comes and people want to protest a silent protest with backs turned would be more effective.

I thought that jalima

'Good post Joelsnan and Ana no, not surprisingly, nobody has commented on Obamas ban on muslims! Which was for 6 months.'

Obama didn't ban muslims. He paused refugee applications from Iraq for six months as he found two Iraqi Al-Qaeda terrorists living in Kentucky as refugees.
See the difference?
Trump stopped all muslims from seven countries coming to USA because of 9/11, but he did not stop those from the main country, Saudi Arabia.
See the difference?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_visits_received_by_Queen_Elizabeth_II
I am sure there are more than one or two amongst that lot whose policies leave much to be desired as well.
She cannot openly express her disapproval of any of them.

Interesting, Jalima. The Obamas didn't go until 2011, which makes me wonder why the haste with Trump.

Mexico, 2015. I wonder if she'll tell Trump how nice the Mexican president and his wife are.
She expressed her displeasure about China, I seem to recall.

Another thought, Jalima; how many of them are related to her?

Yes the haste would appear to be #Brexitpanic on the part of the PM. Bet she is kicking herself now. Terrible timing.

The question as to whether any US President has ever taken such draconian and unpopular action in the past, was raised on this thread earlier today (sorry to be late to the party, been at work). You bet there has! Several times! Trump is by no means the first and it's always been at the expense of the more fragile spectrum of society.

In 1882, the "Chinese Exclusion Act and the Immigration Act." This law was passed to specifically discriminate against Chinese and itwasn't until 1892 that they were allowed in to the USA legally, and, even then, they could not apply for citizenship.
In 1917, Woodrow Wilson barred all "idiots, imbeciles, epileptics, alcoholics, poor, criminals, beggars, any person suffering attacks of insanity from entering the country."
In 1924 Calvin Coolidge signed the Immigration Restrictions Act, supported by the KKK, "barred all of Asia because America must remain America".
In 1941 FD Roosevelt, on the advice of General John DeWitt, ordered 100,000 Japanese Americans to go into enforced slave labour camps because "although they have become Americanised, their racial strains are undiluted ". He took all of their meagre possessions too.
In 1965, the Immigration and Nationality Act came into force with the aim of being "a fair and just system for immigration " But it wasn't until 1990 that homosexual men and women enjoyed the same privileges for entry into the country.

So, the conclusion could be drawn that whilst Trump is unpleasant, racist, xenophobic, sexist etc - unique he ain't. It's all been done before. You just never knew. Link for those interested: newrepublic.com/article/140234/trumps-refugee-ban-isnt-un-american-think

You really are getting in a strop djen the people ( refugee applicants) from Iraq that Obama stopped entering the US would be almost all Muslims.So your point is?

And whilst we are at it, do stop spoonfeeding all the drip drip drippy left wing bloggers stuff , no I don't read your links as you know, ( I did twice, just in case they were from sensible sources: they were not.)

THE POINT IS HE ONLY STOPPED MUSLIM REFUGEES FROM IRAQ.
Why are you pretending to be so dense, roses?

Trump hasn't even stopped the right Muslims, those from Saudi Arabia.
Can you justify that?

Her point is that the Obama was temporary and a response to a particular situation and targeted at a known source.

We are told that many of the the 9/11 terrorists were based in Saudi but the Trump ban does not include Saudi.

What's the logic??