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Is Trump showing worrying signs of mental disorder?

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MawBroon Mon 30-Jan-17 22:09:45

This article in the Independent certainly gives food for thought, and puts things into perspective. It may explain a lot.
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/donald-trump-mental-illness-narcisissm-us-president-psychologists-inauguration-crowd-size-paranoia-a7552661.html?cmpid=facebook-post

Jalima Wed 01-Feb-17 15:16:12

Yes, they are Executive Orders but I still thought there would have to be a 'check' on them.
Apparently not Ankers:
The president's power to issue executive orders comes from Congress and the U.S. Constitution.
Executive orders do not require congressional approval. Thus, the president can use them to set policy while avoiding public debate and opposition. Presidents have used executive orders to direct a range of activities, including establishing migratory bird refuges; putting Japanese-Americans in internment camps during World War II; discharging civilian government employees who had been disloyal, following World War II; enlarging national forests; prohibiting racial discrimination in housing; pardoning Vietnam War draft evaders; giving federal workers the right to bargain collectively; keeping the federal workplace drug free; and sending U.S. troops to Bosnia.

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Executive+Order

MaizieD Wed 01-Feb-17 15:33:52

I don't know if this is any help; it's from the Huffington post's explanation of EOs

While many criticize executive orders as a way to circumvent Congress and the separation of powers process, there is no question that these orders are a major part of federal executive power that is unlikely to disappear in the future. However, as should be clear, presidents are not kings and do not have any inherent power to issue orders. Their authority must come from the Constitution or law, subject to limits. Nor are presidents like Captain Pikard able simply to say “Make it so” and it will happen. Once presidents do issue executive orders they carry the binding force of law and they are hard to repeal or undue. This will make it difficult for Trump to undo except a very few of Obama’s recent executive orders. Conversely, moving forward , any of Trump’s orders will have to follow a specific process to have the force of law, and there are many things he simply cannot order.
Finally, when one looks at the executive orders Trump has already issued, they really are so vague and general that they really do not do anything. His first on Obamacare did not really order anyone to do anything, and the executive order on the Mexican wall too was vacuous and could not really command anything, especially when it required an appropriation of money that Trump did not have. In many cases these “executive orders” seem more like press releases or public relations than real legally-binding executive orders.

There's a lot more in the article, if anyone feels they can make any sense out of it. I'm still not clear what checks exist on them.

www.huffingtonpost.com/david-schultz/presidential-executive-or_b_14544996.html

GracesGranMK2 Thu 02-Feb-17 10:59:20

Thanks Maizie. Interesting post.

Nelliemoser Thu 02-Feb-17 11:28:36

All I can say is that thank heavens for our parliamentary system as in the issue about Brexit. The supreme court insisted that parliament should debate this issue and not just leave it up to the prime minister to issue a decree. That it did not go the way many people wanted is not the point here.

Our house of Lords has it's failings but in many ways, that also acts as a buffer against some potential leader acting like Trump.
However we do not have direct elections of presidents/ prime ministers who have not had any political experience and has a blatantly obvious personality disorder.

annodomini Thu 02-Feb-17 11:31:47

If you are any doubt about his mental capacity, read this transcript of his rambling and incoherent address at a breakfast to celebrate Black History Week.

Anya Thu 02-Feb-17 11:36:16

Yikes Anno that's incoherent to the nth degree.

And, interesting from a personality or psychological point of view, littered with the words 'I' and 'me' hmm

daphnedill Thu 02-Feb-17 11:44:36

I agree with you Nelliemoser. We have a system which seems to bumble along and is quite difficult to justify to people outside the UK. It's not perfect by any means.

If I had a magic wand and was setting up a system from scratch (as the Germans did after WW2), I wouldn't have the House of Lords, BUT it did delay the government from imposing welfare cuts and has been responsible for other important amendments.

I wouldn't have a monarchy, but I'd rather have the Queen and her family (even the odd ones) than Trump and his family and friends.

Parliament was never going to vote against triggering Article 50, but I still think it was important that Parliament had its say. Parliament is and must remain sovereign for constitutional reasons. Hopefully, the Supreme Court ruling has shot a warning over the government's bows that it is not acceptable to decide everything behind closed doors. Otherwise, they're making a mockery of the concept of democracy.

rosesarered Thu 02-Feb-17 11:52:58

It does seem strange that a person with no background at all in politics can become the Leader of any country ( let alone the most powerful one in the world) I can't think any in the last 60 years or more(US) even Reagan had been Governor of a State.

varian Thu 02-Feb-17 12:27:11

I agree, rose, it is extraordinary. The fact is Trump is a "celeb", ie someone who has appeared a lot on TV and in the gossip columns of certain newspapers. I find it surprising that so many people are not just impressed, but even obsessed by this cast of "celebs" as I have very little interest in any of them.

Most of us belong to a generation where we might be interested in people who had achieved something, rather than just becoming famous for being famous. Unfortunately the modern interest in "celebs" sells newspapers and magazines and this interest can be exploited by editors and proprietors to promote their agenda.

Trump has not even been a particularly successful business person. Many of his companies have gone bust and I have been told that he would be worth more money if he had just put the money he got from his father in the bank!

Mair Thu 02-Feb-17 12:43:58

Rigby46 said:

He will have a 'heart attack' surely?

Nope GGMK2 deffo heart attack. Mental illness or impeachment would be too damaging to the US reputation - but whatever, it would then be President Pence and on some issues he makes Trump look like a softie.

So you believe he will be murdered by the US ruling elite.

Luckygirl Thu 02-Feb-17 13:40:41

Gawdamighty * annodomini *! That speech is not as serious analysis of the history and role of black Americans; it is a rant about himself!! Heaven help us.

Luckygirl Thu 02-Feb-17 13:41:59

a serious

Lewlew Thu 02-Feb-17 15:15:32

Today is Grounghog Day in the US.... this presidency is starting to look like the movie.

The same-old-$hit-on-a-shingle day after day from him.

Bleagh! angry

whitewave Thu 02-Feb-17 17:13:41

anno strewth!! You couldn't make it up could you?

Rigby46 Thu 02-Feb-17 17:27:02

Mair if it suits their purpose, yes.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 02-Feb-17 18:16:47

I don't know about the 'heart attack'. I still feel that he will be impeached over tax like Al Capone (was it Al Capone?). You can't argue with a paper trial - well Trump would of course, but it would stop most conspiracy theories. Just imagine if he had a natural heart attack! Conspiracy theories would run rife grin

Jalima Thu 02-Feb-17 18:21:29

Thanks MaizieD

It is beginning to feel more like a reality tv show
Who will be fired next?

Jalima Thu 02-Feb-17 18:29:11

Our democratic system has changed and evolved since the time of George III even though we have an unwritten constitution.

The constitution of the USA seems to be stuck in a time warp, set in stone with the Head of State having executive powers, unlike our own symbolic Head of State who rarely expresses an opinion on politics.

Jalima Thu 02-Feb-17 18:31:38

annodomini !

'It's going to be a beautiful thing'
hmm

Mair Thu 02-Feb-17 18:34:03

Rigby46
*Mair if it suits their purpose, yes8

I believe he is in grave danger of this, but I am somewhat surprised to see a poster who I get the impression is generally on the side of the global ruling elite admit they would assasinate a democratically elected Western leader.

Mair Thu 02-Feb-17 18:36:12

The constitution of the USA seems to be stuck in a time warp, set in stone with the Head of State having executive powers, unlike our own symbolic Head of State who rarely expresses an opinion on politics

However the US for all its flaws is probably still the freest and most democratic country in the world.

Jalima Thu 02-Feb-17 18:37:00

You reckon?

whitewave Thu 02-Feb-17 18:39:20

That old chestnut again mair I thought we'd established that the theory of globalist extremists was the theory of mad men?

Mair Thu 02-Feb-17 18:44:56

No you never established that WW. In the spirit of good manners shall we agree to disagree on that point?

Mair Thu 02-Feb-17 18:47:08

Who but in the US elite but globalist extremists does Rigby think would assassinate the president I wonder WW?

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