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Reluctant to join the discussion.

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morethan2 Wed 01-Feb-17 22:45:21

I occasionally drop in on the political threads. Just a quick look. Today I noted that there was a query of sorts saying that some of us regular uses never comment or join in the debate. I just wondered why? I know why I don't. Apart from the fact that I'm having a particularly difficult time dealing with family illness the reasons are.
1 the threads are far too long so I have difficulty keeping up
2 the posters seem so clever and politically acute that I don't feel I have enough knowledge.
3 I haven't got the time to check my facts so am reluctant to just express my feelings
4 the posters can be very robust if they don't agree with each other.
5 perhaps I'm a bit wimpish and can't take the backlash if I disagree with a post.
Maybe I'm a bit delicate. How do others feel?

Ana Sat 04-Feb-17 10:50:14

Whether you agree with the post or not isn't the point. It has put a lot of people's backs up and I'm sorry if you can't understand why.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 04-Feb-17 10:56:39

I was a point I wanted to make Ana. I do understand why but that doesn't make the people with their 'backs up' right.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 04-Feb-17 10:59:32

Oh sugar. It not I

rosesarered Sat 04-Feb-17 11:04:27

Ah, but the problem is not with repeating unverifiable gossip ( there isn't much of that)
It's about feeling that you are free to comment without being jumped on rudely and from the great intellectual heights.There are ways of putting the other side of the coin, in any discussion.The very fact that a poster started this thread and the many comments on it, show that if posters were a bit ( shall we say kinder) then a lot would join in.We may all learn a bit more that way as it happens...example.....
'Look, two and two make four idiot!'
'If you add two and two, it actually makes four'

rosesarered Sat 04-Feb-17 11:09:46

It doesn't make you or daphnedil right either GGM2 In the end, it's all about your point of view on the matter, not rights or wrongs.

Ankers Sat 04-Feb-17 11:14:53

Politics is for everyone. Everyone gets a vote, and thereby a say. And are fully entitled to their opinion. And need one to be able to vote.
There are many who say in rl that they are not educated enough about politics.

Well educate them!

But who learns well in the wrong circumstances?

It's about feeling that you are free to comment without being jumped on rudely and from the great intellectual heights

This.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 04-Feb-17 11:19:11

It is all about informed views. No one is 'entitled' to be ignorant or at least not to assume that ignorance should be held in higher esteem than fact and information; it has never been easier to access these. It is simply patronising for anyone to think they are so important that their view alone with no awareness or understanding of the facts has to be agreed with or not challenged.

Anniebach Sat 04-Feb-17 11:29:25

Should all voters fill in a questioner before marking their X , because they are the people who choose our MP's, our government , no one should vote if they are voting on their opinions not on facts and statistics ?

Jalima Sat 04-Feb-17 11:32:18

challenged

Is it better to challenge by politely pointing out that you think someone may be wrong in their view because of certain facts which are verifiable
Or to say 'Don't be silly/stupid'
'You are being ridiculous'- in other words get off the thread and leave this to those who know best?

Ana Sat 04-Feb-17 11:35:33

GGMK2 you surely can't seriously believe that anyone on here thinks they are 'so important' their view (whether informed or not) has to be agreed with or not challenged.

Has anyone said that?

As Ankers said

It's about feeling that you are free to comment without being jumped on rudely and from the great intellectual heights

Jalima Sat 04-Feb-17 11:39:51

Ankers has put it in a nutshell!

Ankers Sat 04-Feb-17 11:41:52

Much as I would like to take the credit for those words, it was rosesarered who said them.

Jalima Sat 04-Feb-17 11:55:19

GGMKII
I am a bit puzzled, though, why anyone should post an unverifiable political viewpoint on a thread other than a 'news and politics' thread.
It would be pointless posting it on eg a gardening thread or craft thread for example.

If it is a continuance of a political discussion better to post it there and then another poster can politely point out that it is not a verifiable fact and why.

There is a great deal that can be learnt from those threads if people are not frightened away.

No, morethan2 you are not delicate or wimpish - you are right and I think another poster has been attempting to suggest more politeness would be a good way forward.

We aren't politIcians, we don't need to descend to the jeering and rudeness which we see coming from the H of C.

Jalima Sat 04-Feb-17 11:57:27

Sorry rosesarered blush

Well said - in a nutshell!

petra Sat 04-Feb-17 12:16:13

I would say that Anniebach is the most experienced politicle activist on this forum. There's not much she doesn't know about the Labour Party and what people were telling her on the doorstep. And yet her valued information was continually sneered at by posters who gather most of their information online.
But did she ever come back with a snide remark, not that I saw.

MawBroon Sat 04-Feb-17 12:43:29

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with individual posts especially not OP but is this getting us anywhere other than making the idea of contributing to threads even more intimidating? So far certain members have been named and " dissed" which is just the sort of thing identified in initial objections was it not?
I may be taking my life in my hands but would ask not snidely or in any critical way. How about just getting on with it?

petra Sat 04-Feb-17 13:01:34

MawBroon I have to disagree. Some posters, and probably many more ( who haven't posted on this thread) need to know that the majority of posters here understand why they feel as they do. And if certain posters feel that they are guilty of dismissing people's legitimate views, maybe they might like to think on this.

rosesarered Sat 04-Feb-17 13:08:59

I absolutely echo what Petra says on this, and yes it is, ( reading most posts)
on here being said in a fair and reasonable way.Will it give food for thought? Who knows, but is definitely worth the discussion.
There is a reason why only a handful of the hundreds of Gransnet members post on political threads after all.

Anniebach Sat 04-Feb-17 13:11:08

I would like to say to morethan2 , your opinions and your views are of equal importance as those who seem to be knowledgable . I don't google , I have campaigned at every general election for just over fifty years, I canvas by door knocking and telephone, every reply is important - well not the ones who tell me to shove off - do post , there are a few who may try squashing you but there are more who will not . If anyone gives you a lecture just have a yawn . I have been reduced to tears a few times but bounce back , no cuts or bruises smile you have the right to vote so your opinions matter

MawBroon Sat 04-Feb-17 13:29:23

But it has all been said now.
Ah well, I shall know better than to add my tuppenceworth.

Anniebach Sat 04-Feb-17 13:34:49

With respect, if it had all been said I would not have added a post

Firecracker123 Sat 04-Feb-17 13:35:08

Anniebach I agree Google no substitute for real life experience.

MawBroon Sat 04-Feb-17 13:38:21

I wrote that after your post Anniebach , a good 18 minutes smile

petra Sat 04-Feb-17 13:41:13

To the posters who feel intimidated.
Do you feel you might post now, now that you know you have support from most of us?

rosesarered Sat 04-Feb-17 13:42:24

MawBroon there is room for all our tuppenceworths smile and when there has been enough,the thread will fold, as threads on anything always fold naturally.