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Luckygirl Fri 17-Feb-17 22:36:06

Oh no! - he's back! I cannot bear his self-satisfied voice!

It does not matter what he says; he just gives me the creeps.

I doubt he gives a fig for what I think though grin

durhamjen Sun 19-Feb-17 14:19:35

Having just watched Clegg on daphne's link, Clegg could definitely do it.
He's also a fluent speaker in German, Spanish, French and Dutch, all of which come in handy. He has worked in Brussels in the trade commission under Leon Brittan. He has also worked with the WTO. I think the remain group needs to get him to work for them, before May realises he's the perfect person to work for Brexit.

POGS Sun 19-Feb-17 14:24:04

Well I certainly believe many posters, including myself have said Labour and Corbyn put in a weak show during the referendum campaign and I will let Anniebach answer your thought she has not.

Alan Johnson did criticise Corbyn, this was repeated so many times nobody could have failed to miss it, just one example:-

www.itv.com/news/update/2016-06-27/johnson-corbyns-office-worked-against-rest-of-party/

"Everyone else needs to make their own assessment as to whether more could have been done to prevent this disastrous result. I will certainly do this, as I hope will the Leader’s Office. At times it felt as if they were working against the rest of the Party and had conflicting objectives."

I am not particularly interested in Anniebach I am making the point solely on the discussion set up in the OP and if you agree with ALL Tony Blair said then you agree with him when he said :-

“The debilitation of the Labour party is the facilitator of Brexit. I hate to say that, but it is true,”

Anniebach Sun 19-Feb-17 14:40:30

Jen, I blamed Corbyn for failing the party, he refused to take part in tv debates, he even went on holiday . Alan Johnson did take part in tv debates , but Corbyn was the leader and should have led not hid or gone on holiday.

If labour take Stoke he will be there claiming the glory as party leader.

Margaret Hodge was right - he is a devious man

Anniebach Sun 19-Feb-17 14:48:42

Gill, if Corbyn had a scrap of decency and cared fir the party he would resign.

Too late now for a new, young leader , they will want to wait untill the party has united again.

I think Yvette Cooper would be a good choice, she was part of Blairs government and also with Milliband, she is calm but can match May

POGS Sun 19-Feb-17 15:16:03

'Having just watched Clegg on daphne's link, Clegg could definitely do it.'

Clegg is an Arch Europhile, Clegg would have probably thought a bally good job in the European Commission was waiting for him and why should Clegg be deemed not to be another hypocrite over the EU Referendum result. He would be seen in the same vein as Blair, a established political elite with something to gain for himself.

People conveniently , selectively have a memory loss, the Lib Dems once promoted having an EU Referendum once but no doubt if things had gone against them would be doing as they are today, calling for another Referendum until presumably they can stop stamping the floor in indignation because the vote went against them.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6995032.stm.

"Lib Dems call for EU referendum.

The Liberal Democrats are calling for a referendum on Britain's membership of the European Union.

Party leader Sir Menzies Campbell earlier this week refused to back calls for a referendum on the EU treaty.

But he said the public deserved an "honest debate" on Europe - and "that means a referendum on Britain's membership of the EU"

Another episode happily forgotten was in 2008 when the Lib Dems , again wanting to debate an EUReferendum walked out of Parliament.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7265516.stm

"Lib Dem frontbencher Edward Davey has been ordered out of the Commons, after angry protests to the deputy speaker.
Mr Davey was annoyed at the decision not to allow MPs to debate and vote on a Lib Dem call for a referendum to be held on the UK's membership of the EU.

Deputy Speaker Sir Michael Lord acted after Mr Davey defied warnings. Fellow Lib Dems then walked out in support.

The Lib Dems support the EU treaty and UK membership of the EU. They oppose a referendum on the treaty itself.

The protest came as MPs began the latest day of debate on the Lisbon Treaty - something the Conservatives, some Labour and some Lib Dem MPs have said should be subject to a referendum."

How easy some people forget the Nick Clegg poster 'It's Time For A Real Referendum In Europe'.

How times change.

durhamjen Sun 19-Feb-17 15:19:22

Corbyn didn't go on holiday. He went away, in the UK, for three nights because it was his birthday.

"10 EU rallies, with speeches and meetings in London, Bristol, Stroud, Newquay, Perranporth, Cardiff, Blackpool, Bournemouth, Liverpool, Runcorn, Manchester, Truro, Sheffield, Widnes, Doncaster, Rotherham, Hastings, Brighton, Dundee, Aberdeen and Birmingham.
These included a meeting with student nurses in Birmingham, a factory in Runcorn, a clean beaches event in Truro and campaigning with activists in Scotland.
Launched the Labour In bus and the Ad Van.
A debate on Sky News with Faisal Islam, also talked about the EU on the Agenda and the Last Leg. Appeared on the Andrew Marr show twice and on Peston on Sunday.
Written two op-eds, one in the Observer and another in The Mirror.
Reached more than 10 million people on social media.
Six statements to the House of Commons and 10 PMQs on the EU.
He has been consistent on this issue from day one of his leadership, issuing a statement in September that “Labour will be campaigning in the referendum for the UK to stay in the European Union”." "

This is what Corbyn did in 33 days. Not bad, really, for someone who wasn't there. Haven't seen figures for Alan Johnson, or for Tony Blair.
Presumably you have them Annie?

Alan Johnson was the figurehead for Labour remain.

durhamjen Sun 19-Feb-17 15:24:02

What a memory, POGS, 2007 and 2008. And you criticise my links for being six months old!

POGS Sun 19-Feb-17 15:24:31

durhamjen

Who are you getting your figures from re Corbyn in your post 15.19.

Unusually there is no link .

POGS Sun 19-Feb-17 15:32:15

durhamjen

I did not criticise it, unless you mean my pointing out it stated Boris could become Prime Minister.

I agree with your link when it says "thanks to Corbyn’s ambivalence".

Anniebach Sun 19-Feb-17 15:40:51

whst rubbish, allegedly visiting those places reached more people than a tv debate. he attended momentum arranged meetings, went away for three days because it was his birthday, bless, even queenie doesn't take three days off for her birthday.

Wales is not a large country, it is a strong labour country, one visit to Cardiff? I am fifty miles from there , what of Mid and North Wales?

As Alan Johnson appeared in tv debates he reached more people than Corbyn.

Blair is a Labour Party member , Corbyn party leader, what pathetic excuses , as weak as a third times used tea bag

Ana Sun 19-Feb-17 15:48:20

Corbyn didn't go on holiday. He went away, in the UK, for three nights because it was his birthday.

What's the difference between 'going on hoiday' and 'going away'? confused

stillaliveandkicking Sun 19-Feb-17 15:58:30

The man was never "labour" he was a freaky tory. As for those eyes, well! Gives me the creeps too.

durhamjen Sun 19-Feb-17 16:01:28

labourlist.org/2017/02/ukips-politics-of-hate-must-be-defeated-hatred-will-not-save-childrens-centres-corbyns-speech-to-councillors/

durhamjen Sun 19-Feb-17 16:06:41

Wouldn't know, Annie, I don't drink tea.

durhamjen Sun 19-Feb-17 16:13:04

What do you think would have happened if Blair gave that speech before the referendum? Or even more speeches during the referendum debate? Would he have lost voters to leave?
Would he have gained voters for remain?
Should he have spoken up earlier?
What is the use of him doing it now?

Corbyn and others got 2/3rds of Labour voters to vote remain.
Only 39% of conservative voters voted remain.
Giving lots of television speeches didn't do any good there, did it?
Why are you not blaming Osborne and Cameron for losing the referendum? Doesn't suit your political stance, does it?
You can't blame Corbyn for losing Tory votes, can you?

POGS Sun 19-Feb-17 16:26:04

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/26/corbyn-labour-in-for-britain-chair-phil-wilson-eu-referendum

Phil Wilson, who chaired the Labour In For Britain parliamentary group,

"It was clear last summer that Jeremy was only ever partially interested in keeping Britain in Europe and an honourable leader would bear the responsibility for the failure to persuade Labour voters to vote remain.”

He said: “He himself issued a note to all MPs on 17 September 2015 telling them that Labour would campaign to remain in the European Union. And yet he decided to go on holiday in the middle of the campaign. Did not visit the Labour heartlands of the north-east and raised esoteric issues such as TTIP which had no resonance on the doorstep.”

durhamjen Sun 19-Feb-17 16:29:27

There's one good thing; nobody cares less about Blair any more.

Taking a long weekend is not going on holiday. He was away for three nights. Friday Saturday and Sunday is three nights. In that case, everybody takes a holiday every weekend.

durhamjen Sun 19-Feb-17 16:31:42

Thanks for the link, POGS.

"Corbyn’s spokesman has categorically denied any attempts of sabotage, insisting that the Labour leader put his heart and soul into the campaign.

A source close to the leader said: “Jeremy Corbyn and his team worked hard for the Labour in campaign. Jeremy made numerous appearances, countless speeches and a host of statements and ended up being the politician closest to the tone of the nation. The motivation of individuals making the allegations is questionable.” "

From the same article.
What did Phil Wilson do during the campaign?

Anniebach Sun 19-Feb-17 16:37:22

I don't blame Corbyn for losing Tory votes, I blame him for doing do little to win labour votes. I don't understand how you lay his failure to lead the party on others.

Anniebach Sun 19-Feb-17 16:40:05

Given the result of the referendum then yes Corbyn was closest to the tone of the nation - vote out . He did sod all , he let the party down

Ana Sun 19-Feb-17 16:41:31

I certainly don't 'go away' every weekend for three nights - do you durhamjen? how ridiculous!

durhamjen Sun 19-Feb-17 16:48:04

Immaterial, Ana. You never get the point, do you?

Ana Sun 19-Feb-17 16:52:23

You keep saying that, but surely even you can see that going away to stay in a hotel for three nights is not what 'everyone' does at the weekend.

durhamjen Sun 19-Feb-17 16:55:41

Even you should be able to see that 70% of Labour voters voting to remain is better thasn 39% of Tory voters voting to remain.
Why does Corbyn get the flak and not Cameron or Osborne?

May was supposedly for remain. What happened to her?
Anyway, as I said, Blair is inconsequential. Nobody cares what he thinks now, not even on here. You spend more time discussing Corbyn than Blair.

Ana Sun 19-Feb-17 16:59:13

Well, he is supposed to be the Leader of the opposition, so it's quite natural that he'd be discussed more than a has-been like Blair.