Open Britain - Hard Brexit

Wouldn't it be a good idea to have a Europeon army? Then at least we couldn't go to war with each other any more?

That's what the EU was about. Brexiteers don't want it. What does that say about Brexiteers?

Just been watching how Churchill had all the wealth he could moved from the UK to Canada for safe keeping in 1939. He was a very clever and far seeing man ---- also one of the main instigators of the EU despite UK not joining right at the start - by then he was not PM. Yet now a 'majority' of the UK population think it a bad idea!!

It wasn't the EU 'right at the start' it was the Common Market, the EEC.

Yes - I know that Anya but it was easier to type EU! He wanted it specifically to stop the wars which had been consuming Europe with great regularity for years.

I was never sure why the hysteria over a European army - surely it would be something like UN peacekeeping forces of which we are a part? It was just another thing for Farage and co to bang the drum about as being a Bad Thing without explaining why.

The eu army. If it wasn't so serious it could almost be a Monty Python sketch. Can you imagine how long it would take for all 27 countries to agree to everything involved in anything military.
It would probably take them about 5 years just to decide on the colour of the uniform

What makes you think it would be peacekeeping suzied ?
It would be a proper army, which would take part in proper wars.
Only we ( had we stayed in the EU and the army had come to pass as a reality) would have to take part in any war that the EU decided on, not us as the UK, but as part of a huge army.

....and as Petra says, it would all be a shambles anyway.

Not to mention the little problem of what language to use when giving orders.

I'm not sure what a "proper war" is, other than against a "proper" enemy which threatens European peace. And what's wrong with that? can't think why it wouldn't have a protective i e. defensive role. Anyway, I can't think why you are getting your knickers in a twist about it, it's only a hypothetical situation,

Nobody is getting their knickers in a twist (as you so charmingly say) suzied but since you wondered why it was a bad idea, one or two of us had ventured opinions.

Has nobody considered that "Hard Brexit" is a prospect some are looking forward to? That Theresa was put in place because she has a track record of failing to achieve results while looking like an earnest head teacher . That there are rich people in the background who are busy moving their money in preparation for the coming recession, so not only will they be recession proofed they will make much more. And who cares how much the rest of the population suffer if these rich cats are OK?

Isn't that what we do anyway, have an EU army at the beck and call of the US?
We are fighting wars with and for the US, as are lots of other EU countries. We need this army to sell our weapons to.

Are you in favour of an EU army durhamjen?

Isn't that an irrelevancy Ankers??

Not if you are a pacifist it is not.

dj's answer on another thread[at least I dont think it was this one] was to break up a fight was ok because it was stopping fighting.
A pacifist thinks defence is ok, but not offence?

But why direct the question solely at DJ? There are other people in this discussion you know.

That sounds about right discuss a non existent army that might or might not have to fight an imaginary war at some time in the uncertain future because what is really going to happen is far worse than any Leaver ever imagined.

Maybe Ankers wishes she was a pacifist and wants some tips.

What's wrong with stepping in between two people who are going to fight? It's not fighting. Isn't that what a peacekeeping force is supposed to do - although I don't like the word force.

I'd prefer someone to explain why May thinks that we all have to concentrate on leaving the EU, when she won't tell anyone else what she is doing. If she let us in on the talks, then perhaps we could.
She doesn't even tell the heads of the devolved nations what she is doing.
Or perhaps the May queen is using the royal we.

What's wrong with stepping in between two people who are going to fight? It's not fighting. Isn't that what a peacekeeping force is supposed to do - although I don't like the word force.

Nothing wrong with that at all.

So pacifists are happy about peacekeeping forces? Good. I'm glad.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178761

Pacifism = peace, both from the latin word pax.

I am glad to have educated you, Ankers.

It does occur to me that had there been an EU army at the time it might have been a better option for intervention in Bosnia rather than sending in British troops.