Open Britain - Hard Brexit

I don't think the buying all British stuff was serious folks!

Thank you for your links POGS and YORKSHIREGEL, I had understood that the EU wanted to form it's own army/defence for some time. The links confirmed what I was already aware of, I'm surprised that not everyone was aware.

Too busy denying it to actually find out whether it was true or not.

Better not travel anywhere either by rail. All foreign owned.

Ana rabbit farming does affect this country and our government has done precious little so far. Of course once we've been liberated we'll be buying all our rabbit meat from China, where they really don't care what they do with them.

Deeda

Why will rabbit meat only be bought from China, which is the major exporter to the E U countries in any case if I'm not mistaken.

Italy, France , Germany and Belgium are the top EU countries to accept ' imported ' rabbit whilst China and Eastern European countries are the main ' exporting ' countries into the EU countries.

The UK has to abide all EU legislation over rabbit farming , why do you think it will change after the UK leaves the European Union?

We don't treat rabbits very well here, either.

www.vegsoc.org/facts/farmedrabbits

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/david-davis-admits-not-making-assessment-impact-leaving-eu-without-deal/

David Davis admitted today that the Brexiteers had no idea what would happen if we left the EU without a deal.
Isn't that the sort of statement that May wanted to keep to herself?

Just as I thought DJ. It's a shambles.

The Government are guilty of dereliction of duty if they don't know what will happen to the country and the millions of people here, should they be unable to agree a deal with the EU. May's statement that she's prepared to walk away with no deal lacks all credibility in the absence of a Plan B.

Nobody knows - this is new and has never happened before. The people, rightly or wrongly, decided, so she's picked up a poisoned chalice. I don't envy her her job.

I agree Anya not a job I envy at all.
Why must it be considered 'a shambles' or that Davis hasn't a clue, yada yada yada.
Of course there will be plans, I expect there will be best case scenario, followed by next best, and so on.You don't just give up on your way to the negotiating table, neither do you show the world your hand of cards.
Just because Brexit may not be the outcome that you wanted, it is illogical to assume that we are doomed before we even start, and that nobody in power 'knows what they are doing'.

It is not in the least bit illogical, roses. Leaving the EU has consequences which are entirely forseeable by people who have studied, and have experience of, trading relationships between countries. They are perfectly able to examine the way deals are made, the effects of real tariff and non tariff barriers, the application of the rules of trade blocs, the policies and politics of countries which could affect their willingness to make trade deals and the conditions they set for them. In fact, experts in all the hundreds of facets of trade relationships who are able to advise with some certainty on the feasability of any given course of action. All this expertise is available to the government yet they appear to prefer to be driving completely blind on the most monumental change the uk will ever experience in peacetime.

How anyone can be complacent when the PM says that no deal is better than a bad deal yet she and her Brexit ministers have absolutely no idea what the effect of no deal will be? It defys logic. It is utter lunacy.

I saw again last week an Indian minister saying that any trade deal with them would be dependent on visa free travel for their nationals, and of course America has already said that any deal they do they will be sure not to upset their farmers - who have standards nowhere near as strict as Europe. Are either of those caveats what people want with a trade deal? Possibly 20-30 years down the line things will have settled down again but we do not rely know.

Davis CLEARLY said that NO ONE HAS LOOKED AT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF BREXIT if we dont have a "deal" ....what an inspiring lot...and I remember in 2014 our white paper on independence which answered most questions was slated annd unionists kept shouting WHATS PLAN B ,NOT ONLY DOES THIS SHAMBLES OF A GOVERNMENT HAVE NO PLAN B WHERE IS HELL PLAN A Teresa????

I have every confidence in Theresa May and the Conservative government regarding Brexit negotiations. Just want them to get on with it.

You can find experts on all areas of life, all good in their field, but who disagree with each other.We don't know that there will be no deal, and when T May says that 'No deal is better than a bad deal' publicly, I imagine this is all part of pre-negotiating strategy, letting the EU know that we will walk away from a bad deal.
We are not privy to all that goes on, in fact we don't know most of what goes on/planned/plotted etc!
None of us know how things will turn out, but I think it is illogical to believe all will be a disaster......at least until you see it is happening.Equally illogical to think that all will be completely wonderful, there will be compromises made by us and by the EU until something acceptable to both is worked out.

If the'rules' of the EU are upheld it doesn't matter if the deal is acceptable to UK - as long as it is to the EU. Also we need to bear in mind that it will need to be voted on and any disagreement will be 27 votes against 1.

This country is being ruled by the Daily Mail just look at the budget fiasco. I've no confidence that the government will do any better with Brexit negotiations.

Love the way the Brexiters are being led by the nose in their blind faith that everything will be OK in the end. The government hasn't a clue so goodness knows where they think this la la land is coming from.

I imagine this is all part of pre-negotiating strategy, letting the EU know that we will walk away from a bad deal.

And do you seriously think that the EU isn't fully aware of exactly what walking away with no deal will mean for the UK? What planet are you living on, roses?

Here is one of your derided experts on the economic effects of a number of options:

This blog provides a range of projected impacts on UK trade of these policies. In particular, we examine the impact of 1) replacing the UK’s single market membership with a free trade agreement (FTA) with the EU and 2) concluding new trade deals with non-EU countries. We find that if the new trade deals are similar to those already in existence, then their benefits will be expected to be very small compared to the costs from leaving the EU single market.

Specifically, we expect that leaving the single market will be associated with a long term reduction in total UK trade of between 22% and 30%, depending on whether the UK concludes an FTA with the EU or not. The estimated increases in trade from concluding FTAs with all of the BRIICS, are much smaller at just over 2%, while concluding FTAs with all the Anglo-American countries (USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) is associated with a long-term increase in total UK trade of less than 3%. This stark difference reflects that the single market is a very deep and comprehensive trade agreement aimed at reducing non-tariff barriers, while most non-EU FTAs seem to be quite ineffective at reducing the non-tariff barriers that are important for services trade.

www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/will-new-trade-deals-soften-blow-hard-brexit#.WMpiBH-aN8v

Can you do us all a favour and find us an expert with a completely contradictory and positive view of the same scenarios?

These are WTO rules, what we get if we walk away without an agreement.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/brexit-explained/brexit-explained-10-things-know-about-world-trade-organization-wto

Ermm, so if we walk away from a bad deal it means the status quo, yes? We will still be members.

Meant to add, is that May's get out of jail card?

jackofkent.com/2017/03/could-the-article-50-notification-be-written-on-the-side-of-a-cow-catapulted-over-the-english-channel/

I wonder what the French would think of this?
I quite fancy it being written on the side of a bus, and toured all round the other 27 countries before ending up in Brussels.

The Lords haven't given in, then.

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