Open Britain - Hard Brexit

I have noticed that whenever any of the Govt mention the EU citizens in another country - UK ones mainly in France and Spain - they never say they will still agree reciprocal healthcare - one of the most important things and I would think a cheaper option than having almost a million UK pensioners returning to UK many needing housing - as unable to sell theirs - and needing to use the NHS. The working age people whichever way are basically self sufficient as they are paying into whichever system.
Many of the UK citizens living in the EU would rather the UK Govt gave assurances to the EU nationals in the UK as we are more confident about the countries we are in but do need UK to agree to continue the funding. Very annoying for the thousands of us still paying UK tax on our pensions at source.

For god's sake, roses, why don't you bloody well give up!
You know nothing about the situation of those who live here from other EU countries, and you don't damn well care either, so long as you and your family are okay living in your own little bubble. There, I've said it again.
If you do not read and do not watch anything to do with EU migrants, how can you possibly say what is happening and going to happen?
Have you not noticed I have two daughters in law now, both of whom are from EU countries? No, you wouldn't have noticed, because it doesn't matter to you!
Getting married has made absolutely no difference to either of their statuses. Of course, I assume you know differently, being so interested in everything to do with politics!

The other thing that I cannot fault is the kindness shown towards us by our French friends and neighbours, our Mayor and the people we meet in our daily lives. Whilst the officials we have encountered cannot give us any guarantees about what is likely to happen, we have been treated with kindness and courtesy. We have the very strong impression that nobody wants us to leave.

That's good, Mamie. Better than EU citizens here.

The EU was looking into the fact that EU citizens living here who lose their jobs or become stay at home mums no longer have health cover, no matter how much NI they have paid over the years. A rule that very few people knew about.

Well Mamie I can understand how you are thinking but I can't hold the eu blameless here. In any event, hopefully it will work out well for you, if maybe less so for us stuck here.

ii. We should always put our citizens first
There is obvious complexity in the discussions we are about to undertake, but we should remember that at the heart of our talks are the interests of all our citizens. There are, for example, many citizens of the remaining member states living in the United Kingdom, and UK citizens living elsewhere in the European Union, and we should aim to strike an early agreement about their rights

Thank you Fitzy.
Yes I read sbout that DJ. I think the problem is that other countries run what is basically an insurance system and the "free at the point of use" NHS doesn't fit the model. Having said that, we have applied for residence cards and have to show proof of health cover and income.

There will always be isolated cases that hit the headlines, go around on Facebook, that strike panic into others djen and I think if the UK started deporting such as your DILs then there would - quite rightly - be an outcry from everyone here.
But they won't do that.

Can you just imagine them trying to deport Miriam Clegg González Durántez?

Is there anyone on here who didn't know that durhamjen had 2 Dil from countries outside the uk. I feel as if I almost know them as they've been mentioned so often.

neweuropeans.net/article/1793/campaign-groups-call-rights-guarantee-and-consultation-during-brexit

I didn't until December, petra, and I never mentioned the wedding on here before. I talked about my sons partners.

DJ while checks have been tightened up following sham marriages and the like, I thought than marriage to a UK citizen would generally bring with it the right to live here (subject no doubt to filling in a pile of forms and answering some questions about 1066 and the words to God Save The Queen!)?

No, Fitzy.

That is interesting DJ about the non working EU citizens not getting health cover - as far as I had read it I understood that the EU told UK it should not need to implement that bit of the EU legislation as the NHS is a different set up where no UK citizen needs to contribute apart from the NI payments and therefore that holds true for the EU citizens.
The reciprocal healthcare does exactly that - whatever the native of the. country gets as the best cover is what a citizen from another EU state automatically gets - that is why Mamie and I get 70% paid for and we pay the 30% the same as a French citizen whether that is by insurance or from our own pocket. The wives of Brits ( on a group I belong to) who have had periods at home child rearing all say that they have never been questioned about eligibility for NHS care and never needed to prove anything when getting care. I do think that is changing now but it should not affect their rights.

We've been told umpteen times, so many that none of us are under any illusions about the status of djs' Dil's!!! We might care more if she didn't behave as if this was somehow unique to their situation, and wasn't so darned rude in her attitude to other people who have the temerity to disagree with her political views and those of us who actually love the country we live in, yes that includes you annie with you love of Wales, which most of us respect on here, and don't deride with sneers.

Unfortunately no Fitzy54, I do not think that is the case, as several Commonwealth citizens married to UK citizens with UK born children have found - to their astonishment and despair. And spouses from countries which are not EU or Commonwealth too.

Tut tut

To nn

WE don't know just how 'isolated' these cases are. This blog by an academic:

I arrived at a meeting a couple of weeks ago and noticed one of my academic colleagues was visibly distressed.

When I asked what was wrong, they said they’d just had a very alarming letter from the Home Office. Having lived and worked here for more than two decades (they’re a national of another EU country) they decided to play it safe after the Brexit vote and apply for leave to remain. Big mistake.

They received a threatening letter from the Home Office saying they had no right to be here and they should “now make arrangements to leave”. The letter was obviously wrong – they had every right to be here under existing UK law – but that didn’t lessen the emotional impact for my colleague, whose whole future was suddenly thrown into uncertainty.

I had read similar stories in the press, and wondered how many other academics might be affected, so I turned to Twitter to ask for any similar experiences. The tweet I posted asking for examples was retweeted – mostly by concerned academics – over 1,000 times. People started writing to me with cases and I began digging into the issue.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/01/26/no-longer-welcome-the-eu-academics-in-britain-told-to-make-arrangements-to-leave/

Bearing in mind that this is just about academics and that there are thousands of EU citizens in other jobs in the UK it may represent the experience of a significant number of EU citizens. I also note that the author doesn't give any figures so I'm open to attack on that front.

That's the trouble MaizieD - the rules are so complex and in a state of flux anyway that no-one, not even those who are supposed to be applying them, know exactly how they should be interpreted and these mistakes may happen causing great alarm and stress.

All it does is reduce the number of years you need to live here. You still have fill in all the forms and pay thousands.
Anyway, they have both been living and working here, paying taxes, NI, etc., for over 20 years.
I presume you have seen what's happened to some people who are in the same situation and have filled in the forms for residency? One small mistake, or not sending in their pasport because they will need it over the next six months, and they are sent a letter telling them to pack up prior to removal, even though they are EU citizens.

This is how it stands now for the 3million and those UK citizens living in the EU.

www.the3million.org.uk/article50

Oh, and don't bother telling me I've said all this before, anyone. I know I have, but some of you don't believe it so it has to be repeated.

and those of us who actually love the country we live in

Oh, don't hold back, nn, we Remainers are well aware that we are haters of our country, traitors to the UK and enemies of the people . We can take it...

Surprisingly, some of us feel that we love our country so much that we want to stop it making a ghastly mistake..

Wives who are not EU nationals are not simply allowed to stay now - we have a non EU national in the family and she is able to have a visa but which needs renewing and paying for again after 2.5 years and it now continues like this - the visas are expensive all the time - some costing thousands a time. I think that the rules about these visas changed about 5/6 years ago as one visa which he thought was a 5year one - transforming into a long stay one almost automatically - - turned into the 30 month one - which the Border man explained to him at Heathrow! They were married in UK by this time.
To overcome this problem he has retrained to teach English and they have moved back to her homeland - nicer weather anyway!