Voting quandry

Wonder how the country will look 'after she had finished' with it in 5 years time?

I have a dystopian vision of the country, but not sure I can put it into words. I don't think it's going to be very pleasant.

I long for "Spitting Images".

I wouldn't say she 'wiped the floor' with anyone. She just repeated she was the only strong one and Labour would cause chaos. Not exactly a reasoned argument! And certainly no attempt to answer any questions. All she said was the Conservatives had spent all the money required on the NHS etc, which is so clearly a lie. But you aren't allowed to use that word in Parliament

She's not worried as long as her mantra trust and strength and chaos is heard. They treat the electoric like thick idiots.

Did any of you watch Prime Ministers Questions yesterday, Theresa May wiped the floor with Corbyn no comparison between the two and Tim Farron and his sidekick Sarah Olney looked crestfallen after she had finished with him.

Is that behaviour really what you admire and believe we need from those representing us ninny?

I suppose it depends on one's perspective.

I didn't watch PMQs, but the reviews I've read said that May was evasive, attacked Corbyn personally in an attempt to humilate him and just about every Conservative managed to mention "strong and stable" (they've obviously been to CCHQ for an update of their hard drives).

Lynton Crosby's doing a good job.

If you have a good strong opposition and Leader then they give as good as they get at PMQ's.It has never been something that Corbyn has been happy with, the cut and thrust of PMQ's, he likes a debating style where he holds the floor without interruption or a meeting.Another reason for Labour to get a new Leader as soon as possible! When anyone else has stood in for him at PMQ's they have always improved things.

Don't recall any problem here when the shadow chancellor called fellow MP's

f*****g losers.

Boom boom annie

Of course the Lib Dems/Farron were hanging their heads, if you watched PMQ's it was quite noticeable . Farron had just been dealt with a question about one of his Election Candidates and antisemitism.

As Farron and the Lib Dems had just suspended another candidate in Luton for antisemitism it must have done something for their morale.

It's a sad fact that Corbyn's reluctance to attack his opponents on a personal level weakens him as a political player. Speaks volumes about our democracy, doesn't it?

He isn't a great orator either. However, what he lacks in delivery, I think he makes up for in substance. He is the first Labour leader with genuine socialist policies for a very long time. I agree with him on most issues, as his priorities are based on the concepts of equality, fairness and a decent life for everyone, including the most vulnerable members of society.

Doesn't stand a hope in hell, of course, as the media will demonise and/ or ridicule him beyond recognition. We'll end up, as usual, with a government that suits the interests of media moguls and the rest of the rich and powerful. Beats me how any pensioner can vote for May who won't guarantee keeping the triple lock, and against Corbyn who does guarantee it, but just look at all the suckers in the USA who voted for Trump to "represent the ordinary working man." It beggars belief.

Not that it makes any difference to me, as I live in a Tory stronghold, so my vote changes nothing!

Bluecat
I think the media is saying no more than the average man on the street in regards to Corbyn. Most of what I hear is unprintable.

Bluecat I agree with you up to a point. Corbyn isn't a great orator, does concentrate on policies, and is a true socialist in the old sense of the word, when it was it was seen as a step a long way down the route to communism, rather than a vague description that can be applied to anything left centre. But what you ignore is the rhetoric of many of his supporters, including the shadow chancellor, who are not quite so backward in the things they say and do. As for the effect of the media, I just don't buy it. Corbyn at the helm certainly doesn't help Labour at the polls, but to my mind people just do not want a govt. with such severe left wing polices. Most people believe that we just can't afford Labour's current promises, otherwise we would all vote for them. Why on earth wouldn't we? Do you really think huge numbers of people are turning their back on promises of a better NHS, pay increases for govt. workers, more houses, increased spending on education and a host of other goodies, just because they are worried that these things won't suit Rupert Murdoch? I'm not saying the press have no influence - but no way can the current massive unpopularity of Labour be blamed on the media.

Extremely well put Fitzg54,some principles whilst being admiral cannot work in the real world, sad to say but has to be acknowledged

Corbyns promises are coming too fast and furious, housing, NHS, living wage, pay rises, etc,etc,etc. Seems like we are been taken to the land of Oz , no when or how , just promises and borrowing £500 billion

Yes exactly Anniebach, well said, principles are a good thing 'in principle ?' but the world is so unstable now we cannot be unbendingly rigid no matter what .

If he won because of these promises where would he start?

Like Anthony Trollope's clergyman who was 'too Godly a man' to manage the politicking in the church of those days, Corbyn would appear to be too honest and decent a man to survive the gladiatorial system, or bear-garden as I call it, in today's parliament.
I don't see Theresa May as an acceptable alternative. She has almost brought the country to its knees and will continue to do so.
Austerity has been manufactured to suit the needs of the wealthy few - there is plenty of wealth in this country, but it's hidden from the electorate. London has become the money-laundering capital of the world but the peasants won't be getting any of the profits.
Rant over.

SG - who do you define as the wealthy few? I can't say I've seen anybody particularly benefiting from austerity.

Far from thinking may wiped the floor with Corbyn, I felt the complete opposite. Apart from her responses are scripted in the first place as she has advanced warning of the questions, the fact that the representatives of this tory party including their leader made PMQ's a bit of fun and chummy banter sickened me. She avoided answering ANY of the questions regarding her failings by repeating that same old tired and quite frankly ridiculous mantra of giving the UK a strong and stable government along with the rest of them.

She has absolutely NO idea what she is talking about I'm sure as I hear nothing else coming out of her mouth, and her error of saying tourism instead of terrorism in the week just proves she has no idea along with the people gathered around her who didn't even seem to notice her error either!

In any situation there will always be some who benefit - and not necessarily the wealthy.

In our area, as the price of houses and house moving has rocketed while interest rates remain low, many people have decided to extend and improve their existing house and every other house seems to have had building tradesmen's boards outside at some time or other. Getting builders is almost impossible and one we know was chatting casually about the holidays he and his family are enjoying. He and his friends are doing well from austerity.

The renewable energy industry is doing well. DH spent his working life in the oil and gas industry and is spending his retirement working in the offshore wind sector because of the shortage of engineers with the required skills.

It is like the 1930s, some areas and some industries are doing very badly, others are prospering.

Good rant Sluttygran. It does feel as if more and more countries are being offered the least worst.

sluttygran, Corbyn has been in parliament for many more years than the other leaders , much more experience of your bear pit

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You say Labour has unpopularity according to the polls.
First and foremost polls are only there to influence not to reflect real feeling, the only poll that actually matters is on the day of the vote.

Also look at the most recent poll failures, they don't seem to have a reliable track record of recording public feeling.

We certainly can't rely on YouGov polls, who only ever poll a small handful of people - hardly representative of the whole nation and who take a look at who the owner of this poll is - notice any bias?

Also compare to a recent ITV/This morning poll with a 'slightly' larger number of people voting and see the obvious difference (see pics) it tells a very different story from the pathetic little YouGov poll.