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marbles Mon 24-Apr-17 12:42:44

I'm a life-long Labour voter but cannot bear to suppprt Corbyn in the forthcoming election. The party will remain a shambles until it is under proper leadership and he seems to have totally lost the plot. I will not vote Conservative for many reasons and I feel betrayed by Theresa May's u-turn on Brexit, u-turn on not calling an election...there is no trust.

I will not abstain - the vote is a privilege. But for the first time I am seriously at a loss. There is no credible opposition. Locally there are no viable candidates that I feel I can endorse in order to make a point. I need to put my X in the box and it's the first time ever I've thought they are all as bad as each other.

durhamjen Fri 28-Apr-17 22:40:18

But it didn't go into infrastructure, did it? It didn't go into helping the building industry or hospitals or schools, did it?
Can you explain why Osborne had to borrow four times as much as he said he was going to?
Osborne messed up and then ran away. McDonnell can't do any worse than Osborne did.

Fitzy54 Fri 28-Apr-17 22:45:58

No it didn't go into infrastructure. I don't say PQE is a daft idea but the magnitude of his plans are dangerous.

Anniebach Fri 28-Apr-17 22:51:26

Can't do any worse than Osbourne did? That does instill confidence

durhamjen Fri 28-Apr-17 23:05:34

Fitzy, can you explain why Osborne using QE is not a huge gamble, but McDonnell using PQE is?

Fitzy54 Sat 29-Apr-17 00:34:04

Simoly that we now have a mountain of debt, and Labour have eye watering spending plans and will need to create another mountain of debt to fund them. Spending on a degree of infrastructure is fine, but he intends to go bananas, and on top of that has huge spending plans that have nothing to do with infrastructure. He must be assuming a fantastic rate of growth to pay off all this debt, at a time when Brexit will be working against him. I just think it's a huge gamble which, if it doesn't work out, leaves us with a crippling amount of interest to pay. Not for me.

Eloethan Sat 29-Apr-17 01:07:24

In relation to the comment that the media always gives Labour leaders a hard time, I agree. But the treatment of Corbyn has been especially and unceasingly vitriolic. My feeling is that if you replaced Corbyn with someone who had the same views and ideas as him, he or she would also be torn apart by the media - it is really the "idea" that austerity is a short term measure that will cause long term damage which they want to discredit and they do so by trying to discredit the person.

If anyone watched HIGNFY this evening, Ian Hislop said "Are there no questions about the Conservatives at all? Is this the new BBC policy?"

Anniebach Sat 29-Apr-17 08:45:10

I think Corbyn has an easy time with the press. He brought traingate on himself by telling fat porkies, he called Hamas his friends but claims he is a pacifist. He made the choice to hsve a new member of his own party to carry out an enquiry into anti semitism in the Labour Party and when she cleared the party he shot her into the Lords, which he is so against . He yelled your harassing me to a reporter who only asked a polite question . Since when has one question on an early election to a party leader been harassment?

Lazigirl Sat 29-Apr-17 09:43:38

Yes Eloethan I heard that comment on HIGNFY and I think it's near the mark. For example has anyone noticed the BBC reporting that 3 senior Tory staff have recently left? Special Advisor to Hammond, TMs director of communications, and her press secretary. At a crucial time too, I wonder why?

durhamjen Sat 29-Apr-17 09:49:05

Change the record, Annie.

durhamjen Sat 29-Apr-17 09:53:28

Fitzy, which do you think is better, giving money to banks in the hope that some of it will trickle down to help the workers, or using it to build the 200,000 affordable houses we need each year so that the money gets into the economy that way?
Governments don't need to borrow money, they print it. That's the idea of PQE. Print money and put it to work at the bottom end of the pay scale, get ordinary people into jobs, start building again.

durhamjen Sat 29-Apr-17 09:55:16

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2015/09/02/standard-poors-say-the-pqe-could-pay-a-250-return/

Anniebach Sat 29-Apr-17 10:01:44

For some strange reason you want me to stop posting my opinions yet flood boards with yours.

I post what is true and will continue to do so,

daphnedill Sat 29-Apr-17 10:32:16

Lazigirl TM has recently appointed Lynton Crosby.I wouldn't mind betting he had something to do with it plus "strong and stable".

I'm going out today, but have been trying to write a limerick.

So far I have:

There once was a woman called May-ble
Who lived in Parliament's stable
She wanted to be strong
But she was often wrong
....

Anybody do better or come up with the last line?

Apparently May forgot where she was yesterday wnen she gave an interview. grin Funny that the MSM didn't report it.

nigglynellie Sat 29-Apr-17 10:45:43

' But in truth, that was only a fable'

Anniebach Sat 29-Apr-17 11:00:18

Brilliant Niggly

GracesGranMK2 Sat 29-Apr-17 11:38:15

I thought I would try - hope that's OK daphnesmile.

There once was a women called May,
Who thought that this was her day,
I'm both strong and stable,
Was all she was able
To repeat, day after day.

There was also a man called Corbyn,
Who'd decided to put his oar in,
Not for few but for many
He declared it would then be,
When he beat May and got Labour in.

durhamjen Sat 29-Apr-17 11:41:44

Well done, Gracesgran.
If you do them for other parties the voting quandary will be over.
Vote for the party with the best limerick.
Better do a rubbish one for Ukip.

daphnedill Sat 29-Apr-17 12:39:55

Brilliant gracesgran and nigglie! smile

I knew others would do better. I'm at least a furlong behind.

daphnedill Sat 29-Apr-17 12:44:00

There once was a young nipper
Who wanted one day to be a Kipper
They wouldn't let him be a peer
Because he hadn't played for Tranmere
So he became a big real ale sipper

daphnedill Sat 29-Apr-17 13:08:42

A man of Kent called Farage
Said "Je n'aime pas le fromage"
So he set off in a hump
To see his mate Trump
Surrounded by his dodgy entourage

ellenoo Sat 29-Apr-17 13:47:24

Please do note waste your votes by spoiling papers or not voting at all - women died (on the anniversary of the election in fact) for us the have the vote... Yes the system is not ideal and we should work to change it but please use your votes

Thousands and thousands of people have died and are suffering under this current goverment - and more will follow if they get in again - also our NHS will be no more that is the bottom line for me!

Please do not believe what you read in the main stream media nor hear from the BBC - the latter are under threat by the current Tory masters also...

ellenoo Sat 29-Apr-17 13:51:44

Regarding Corbyn himself - he is a man of dignity and principle - I doubt very much any of us would agree 100% with all facets of any politician in fact!

He has a good track record and integrity... which is more than can be said of many in the Tory party... Don't be swayed by polls - YouGov for example was set up by 2 Tories! One of which - millionaire Tory MP Nadhim Zahawi, unlawfully claimed thousands of pounds of taxpayers' cash to heat his stables! Corbyn meanwhile has claimed £8.43 odd for stationery costs.... I know who I would trust more!

ellenoo Sat 29-Apr-17 13:52:53

to have the vote that should say - typo doh

Anniebach Sat 29-Apr-17 13:53:15

I am sure many have died during the time of this govdrnmrnt and the same for all previous governments regardless of party

ellenoo Sat 29-Apr-17 14:01:43

And as for money do your research - the Tories have increased the national debt over and over again..more so than any Labour government. Labour would address this by closing tax loopholes the wealthy use and corporate tax dodging...

Just dealing with the instance in attached picture would deal with the NHS deficit on one move!