I'm a life-long Labour voter but cannot bear to suppprt Corbyn in the forthcoming election. The party will remain a shambles until it is under proper leadership and he seems to have totally lost the plot. I will not vote Conservative for many reasons and I feel betrayed by Theresa May's u-turn on Brexit, u-turn on not calling an election...there is no trust.
I will not abstain - the vote is a privilege. But for the first time I am seriously at a loss. There is no credible opposition. Locally there are no viable candidates that I feel I can endorse in order to make a point. I need to put my X in the box and it's the first time ever I've thought they are all as bad as each other.
Maybe that's what we should do, ellenoo, try to appeal to Hugh Grosvenor's better nature, and get him to pay the deficit.
One can but dream....
Sorry ellenoo, I don't think this kind of electioneering will get you very far on here. You'd better go back to LP HQ for an update. GN gets visitors from UKIP too before elections.
By the way, I think it's a bit cheap using a picture of the late Duke of Westminster, who once said that he'd have been happy not to have inherited so much wealth. He didn't expect to become Duke and only inherited, because his brother died. The Grosvenor Estates employ thousands of people.
And they all live in luxury in Mayfair and Belgravia!
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/29/lack-diversity-parliament-election-change
Here's another way to think about voting.
Parliament needs another 150 women to be representative.
It needs another 50 black and minority ethnic MPs to reflect diversity.
Chance to get rid of the old boys network?
DJ Labour will borrow £100bn and print the rest. That on top of what we already owe. They are counting on substantial and very fast growth and are crossing their fingers that inflation won't go through the roof.
I agree with some of what posters are saying about Corbyn but I think he and those who follow him have very dangerous economic policies.
The late Duke of Westminster didn't live in London. I don't know where the new one lives.
And the Tories have good ones?
You live in a different world from me, but then I'm in the bottom third of the income scale.
Ha, ha - and you think daphned isn't?(sorry dd, but really...)
This is one of the projects started by the Duke of Westminster before he died.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-36043072
He personally donated £300 million.
Edwina Grosvenor (aka Mrs Dan Snow), his daughter, has also spent millions on prison reform and setting up the Clink restaurants, which is more than the government has done.
Sorry, I'm not a fan of the aristocracy, but at least choose a family which treats the plebs like plebs. The Grosvenor family are some of the better aristcrats.
I didn't say he did live in London. He owns 300 acres of Belgravia and Mayfair, though.
He's very philanthropic, because there is a Grosvenor charity. However, paying the correct amount of death duties would go a long way towards not needing so many foodbanks, or paying the NHS debt.
Nobody in my family would ever have to pay death duties, but if there was anyone rich enough they would be expected to pay 40%.
Someone who inherits £9 billion should not be able to fix the system to only pay 7% as in ellenoo's example.
I agree with her there.
You really need to read and respond to more than a single post, Ana.
My comment about living in a different world to me was not to daphne.
Hiding behind a glass door to avoid a question is not dignified. Telling lies to the country he has to sit on the floor of a train is not dignified. Supporting terrorist groups whilst claiming to be a pacifist is neither dignified or principled .
DJ the issue as I see it is risk v reward. Certainly Labour economic policies promise great reward but Labour don't seem to recignise the risks involved at all. Maybe you don't agree there are any significant risks? Fine, then you clearly must vote Labour because if tax, borrow, print and spend, spend, spend will really work, there is nothing more to think about - it's the easiest solution in the world.
Which is why most of the electorate do not trust Labour with the economy!
Fitzy, do you believe that the Tories have borrowed more than Labour ever had?
Even while Osborne was saying that austerity would be good for us and would bring borrowing down, he borrowed twice as much, but didn't tell us.
You think that is trustworthy?
Our Green Investment Bank has been sold by the Tories to an Australian conglomerate.
www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/apr/20/green-investment-bank-sell-off-dubbed-a-disaster-by-critics
Is that a trustworthy thing to do?
Is that taking back control?
[quote]Hiding behind a glass door to avoid a question is not dignified. Telling lies to the country he has to sit on the floor of a train is not dignified. Supporting terrorist groups whilst claiming to be a pacifist is neither dignified or principled .[/quote]
Nor are any of those true. It's amazing how slanted reporting gets repeated over and over again.
DJ theyories have borrowed a great deal of money. They could hardly have avoided it given that they started out with a huge cut in the tax base and a lot of existing debt that had to be serviced. Borrowing is now coming under control and Labour want start ramping it up again. Something much less aggressive might get my support, but not this.
I never lie
youtu.be/g7Qk5XgD6dE
The problem is, Fitzy, that the worldwide financial crash happened in 2007-8. That caused a lot of labours problems. However, Osborne said he would have it under control, and that's why we had to have austerity. Instead he just had to borrow more because there was not enough money in the economy so people stopped building, stopped buying, did not earn enough to pay tax, etc.
If what Cable says is true, that the Brexit crash is going to be worse than the 2007-8 one, at least we will have two comparable crashes to argue over.
That is, if the Tories get in again.
You don't think May called the election because she was warned that was going to happen, do you?
Sorry, I meant to discuss, not to argue over. As if we would!
ygg
Facts are facts , I think you could do with engaging in searching for the evidence, it is there.
Anniebach has posted you a youtube clip that was shown on the main t.v networks live , it is not fake news.
The 'Sitting on the Floor' video is now widely accepted as being a 'political stunt' , it was stage managed.
This another YouTube clip 'Our friends from Hezbollah/Hamas.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=pGj1PheWiFQ
I'm sure the tories could have managed things much better. Trying to get the right balance between tax, borrowing and printing on one side, and how to allocate it on the other is never going to be easy, but politicians have to pretend it is or they won't get the votes. but for me, Labour's plans just seem far too aggressive.
Aggressive in what way Fitzy? Will their policies lead to the starvation of the poor and less able? Will they increase class sizes, decrease pensions and make work less secure. All this has happened under the Cons. Those who have not been affected by this and who have tax cuts to look forward to will indeed think the Cons are the party to vote for - they are the few. I wonder what you expect to happen to the many?
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