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marbles Mon 24-Apr-17 12:42:44

I'm a life-long Labour voter but cannot bear to suppprt Corbyn in the forthcoming election. The party will remain a shambles until it is under proper leadership and he seems to have totally lost the plot. I will not vote Conservative for many reasons and I feel betrayed by Theresa May's u-turn on Brexit, u-turn on not calling an election...there is no trust.

I will not abstain - the vote is a privilege. But for the first time I am seriously at a loss. There is no credible opposition. Locally there are no viable candidates that I feel I can endorse in order to make a point. I need to put my X in the box and it's the first time ever I've thought they are all as bad as each other.

rosesarered Sat 06-May-17 12:52:46

ab is backed up by contributors who do not share her political views nightowl but rather share her opinion that she is fully entitled to air her views just as all other posters are entitled to do unless they they are being personally insulting.
Since ab talks about Corbyn and other politicians, then nobody should feel they have a perfect right to 'have a go' at her.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 06-May-17 12:57:52

but rather share her opinion that she is fully entitled to air her views just as all other posters are entitled

[hollow laughter] particularly when noting the poster of this fairy-tale.

rosesarered Sat 06-May-17 13:00:35

Rude as ever GGM2 how do you manage to keep it up? grin

GracesGranMK2 Sat 06-May-17 13:08:43

I wasn't being rude roses; I have a long memory and, unless someone is big enough to apologise and then behave as if they mean it, I never forget and I never forgive. I have not come across anyone who has behaved as you do on here. Obviously that is just a personal view but that may explain my comment.

Anya Sat 06-May-17 13:13:02

I said this on another thread but can we not be a bit kinder to each other.

Political views, like religion, can be very strongly held. If someone really wants to win another across to their point of view, it is almost impossible on a forum like this. But it certainly won't sway people to even consider a different point of view when insults are bandied back and forth like this.

It's just like everyone is shouting at each other and no one is listening.

daphnedill Sat 06-May-17 13:15:19

ab is entitled to air her views and I am entitled to be fed up to the back teeth with the same message being repeated ad infinitum - as is GracesGran.

As an outsider, who is unlikely to vote Labour anyway, I am entitled to voice the opinion that ab's monotonous message is unlikely to do the Labour Party any good, but is likely to push people towards voting Conservative, which probably suits your agenda roses.

daphnedill Sat 06-May-17 13:16:20

Well, I (and others) have tried to discuss policies a few times Anya, but on the whole I agree with you.

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 13:33:11

And I Daphne am allowed to post my monotonous posts . I doubt my views on Corbyn will affect the voting throughout the uk , you seem to think so, a daft view sorry,

durhamjen Sat 06-May-17 14:05:49

In which case, Annie, I am allowed to post all the links I like, too, whether you read them or not.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 06-May-17 14:07:45

You are being totally self-indulgent Annie and I have asked why but you never answer the question. You are using your privileged life position to rant on without any thought about what the next five years will mean to others. It appears you are stamping your feet about the taking back 'your' party from the previous New Labour takeover with not a thought about what a Tory government will mean. Personally, I would let what happens happen to Labour but I just cannot help thinking about those who have already been so affected by the Tory governments and those who will be as a consequence of a landslide.

These thoughts also apply to the idea of everybody being nice. Of course, if it everyone adhered to this it would work but they just don't and they use the lack of 'niceness' to push the Tory argument or beat up upon left wing posters. You can say it happens both ways but that is it - it does happen both ways. We have the privileged lives that allow us to even think about not being where it is not 'nice'. We are not homeless nor are we starving. We have the free time to be on here.

The view of the Tories is of an economy that does not allow for the care of people in these positions and we should not be dwelling on our first world problem of not liking a particular man but should be doing all we can to stop the aggressive approach of the Tories.

durhamjen Sat 06-May-17 14:15:41

" TENSIONS ran high as Labour narrowly maintained its majority at Durham County Council despite losing key cabinet members.

In an election which saw more than 30,000 votes cast, the party saw its seats plummet from 94 to 74 including several in heartland areas. "

Daphne, this is what I mean about bias. There are 125 councillors altogether, so how is this narrowly maintaining its lead, unless the journalist can't count.

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 14:20:20

Yes Jen, I have never told you to shut up , I read some of your links I ignore links from bloggers

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 14:23:01

What is the question GG?

daphnedill Sat 06-May-17 14:23:23

Carry on harming Labour ab. It's your right.

Younger voters don't even know of the characters you admire so much. They live in the "here and now" and have their futures ahead of them.

Apparently 90% of them are now registered to vote, so let's hope they use it.

daphnedill Sat 06-May-17 14:25:45

You might not read dj's links and are free to ignore them, but they might interest other people. You are free to be rude enough to tell dj to shut up and people are free to to ignore you and think what they want.

Aren't we lucky to live in a relatively free country?

durhamjen Sat 06-May-17 14:26:23

That's brilliant, daphne. 90%. That'll be some turnout if they all vote.

durhamjen Sat 06-May-17 14:28:05

Excellent post Gracesgran.

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 14:29:13

Thank you for offering your permission Daphne, but I didn't ask for it or need it

daphnedill Sat 06-May-17 14:31:44

The next step is to remind uni students to apply for a postal vote, if necessary. The timing of the GE will mean that some have already left uni, where they might be registered. Others are registered at their parents' address, so will have to apply for a postal vote.

This could be the first time they've voted, so they won't know the procedure.

Some of them have learnt their lesson after the referendum, from which many were disqualified from voting.

I'm doing my bit on social media and via my children.

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 14:35:18

Jen, have you forgotten I once asked you would you choose Corbyn who cannot win an election and so the homeless would continue to be homeless or choose another leader who stood a chance of winning the election, you replied - Corbyn because you shared his principles,

I was shocked and did reply - thrn when you meet a homeless person you can say sorry you haven't a home but my principles come first

daphnedill Sat 06-May-17 14:35:59

Grow up ab. All I'm trying to do is point out that you're repeating the line being spun by the right-wing media. GN is a public forum. People will read what you write and be put off voting for Labour, alongside all the other anti-Corbyn rhetoric. The more they read about Corbyn's hat or his hiding behind the glass door, the less they're likely to read about all the good things which many Labour MPs do.

durhamjen Sat 06-May-17 14:36:04

www.yourvotematters.co.uk/how-do-i-vote/voting-by-post

Just in case anyone needs to know, or pass it on to their student friends/children/grandchildren.

daphnedill Sat 06-May-17 14:38:38

Pah! I can't be bothered with your petty grievances ab. I'm not voting Labour, but that's not because I don't like Corbyn's hat, but because I don't think Labour has good policies. Ironically, if you try reading them ab they're not very hard-left at all.

Ana Sat 06-May-17 14:44:19

Well, I suppose it doesn't matter to durhamjen who you vote for as long as it's not Conservative.

Anniebach Sat 06-May-17 14:49:08

Two posts of insults Daphne , well done, feel good?
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