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marbles Mon 24-Apr-17 12:42:44

I'm a life-long Labour voter but cannot bear to suppprt Corbyn in the forthcoming election. The party will remain a shambles until it is under proper leadership and he seems to have totally lost the plot. I will not vote Conservative for many reasons and I feel betrayed by Theresa May's u-turn on Brexit, u-turn on not calling an election...there is no trust.

I will not abstain - the vote is a privilege. But for the first time I am seriously at a loss. There is no credible opposition. Locally there are no viable candidates that I feel I can endorse in order to make a point. I need to put my X in the box and it's the first time ever I've thought they are all as bad as each other.

rosesarered Sun 07-May-17 21:52:33

I think it will give T May a stronger negotiating position actually.The EU officials would then know that the UK is strongly behind her.
It will also give her a better position within the Conservative government, and she would feel more confident about the sort of Brexit she would like to achieve, perhaps a softer Brexit than some others in the party would like, for example.

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 21:53:34

Expressing an idea cleverly in a few words =pithy,.. yeah I like that it gets better

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 21:55:03

Thank you Rosesarered you put it much better than I ?

rosesarered Sun 07-May-17 21:57:29

I thang kew! grin

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 21:59:45

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Eloethan Sun 07-May-17 22:05:41

anniebach I have yet to meet a political canvasser who hasn't asked me my opinion regarding the forthcoming election and made an enquiry about my voting intention.

When somebody indicates that they will be voting Labour, do you not note it down? Isn't the whole purpose of canvassing to try and estimate how well, or otherwise, your party is doing and/or to find out what proposed policies appeal to them - and to try and make sure that they do turn up to vote? Either way, I think some people would consider that to be fairly nosy, especially as those who are "doorstepped" haven't given any prior indication that they wish to discuss their political leanings with a random stranger.

Anniebach Sun 07-May-17 22:19:33

I am not responsible for canvassers in your area Eleothan

In your list of your experience of cavassers I note you do not mention a cavasser asking - who are you voting for . Asking for opinions is not the same , try it some time, best you venture out With canvassers who have experience

daphnedill Sun 07-May-17 22:21:18

Angela Merkel has never had an overall majority. She has always been the head of a coalition. The EU couldn't care less how big May's majority is. They're not stupid and know how the UK voting system works. They won't sit down and start counting majorities before negotiations.

This election is about internal politics within the Conservative Party itself, so that May & Co can make the changes which her own back benchers have been rejecting.

Eloethan Mon 08-May-17 00:27:51

anniebach I have lived in Wembley, Romford, Colchester, Horsham, Blackburn and East London and my experience of canvassers from all parties is as I described - i.e. their main objective is to find out who you are voting for.

According to Wikipedia, canvassing: "is used by political parties and issue groups to identify supporters, persuade the undecided and add voters to the voters list through voter registration, and it is central to get out the vote"

In my experience if I give a non-committal answer to "Can we rely on your support", the canvasser asks more questions to try and identify my allegiances. They generally carry a list with them and make a note of your response on it.

Anniebach Mon 08-May-17 08:42:05

No use Eleothan, you can keep trying to defend a rude question, the question was - who are you voting for? Your waffle is boring sorry.

MaizieD Mon 08-May-17 09:06:24

It wasn't a 'rude' question, ab. It was just a question.
Why don't you just reply "I'm not telling you" and end at least one strand of this tedious feud.

Anniebach Mon 08-May-17 09:11:29

May have been acceptable to you Mauzie but it was not to me

Anniebach Mon 08-May-17 09:12:24

And it is Eleothan who is keeping it going not me I suggest you soeak directly to her

Jalima1108 Mon 08-May-17 11:02:05

Leaving aside the question of whether or not May was handling Brexit 'expertly' there was absolutely no need for this general election. She had a majority, she had no problems with Parliament.

I do remember all the controversy over whether or not Gordon Brown had a mandate though and remember that Theresa May was critical of the fact that he did not go to the country but took over the position of Prime Minister. Perhaps she is mindful of that fact too (or perhaps was reminded of it by advisers?).

But when a PM-in-waiting is handed the job on a platter – even in the most spectacularly convoluted leadership contest modern politics has ever witnessed – and then fails, it is always the fault of the party. That is the lesson from the demise of Brown. So now there’s only one way Theresa May can get the mandate she craves and protect the party she has served: she must call an immediate general election.
The Independent - 11th July 2016

Gordon Brown seemed to be very reluctant to sign the Lisbon Treaty too - why?

UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown has belatedly signed the EU reform treaty, having missed a ceremony attended by leaders of the 26 other member states.
BBC news 13th December 2007

Perhaps he was just a 'bloody difficult man'.

daphnedill Mon 08-May-17 11:10:08

Have just read the whole article, which confirmed what I remembered.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7141279.stm

Brown's missing the signing wasn't really such a big deal and he did send David Miliband (then Foreign Secretary). It was the opposition which wanted to stir something up.

PS. Anecdotal evidence suggests Brown was a "bloody difficult man". Shame he didn't realise he could have worn it as a badge of pride!

Jalima1108 Mon 08-May-17 11:19:04

It was the opposition which wanted to stir something up.
Much like now then grin

Anniebach Mon 08-May-17 11:19:07

Brown wasn't a bloody difficult man, he couldn't do false , yes frustration could cause an eruption but only because he cared deeply

Jalima1108 Mon 08-May-17 11:22:34

You can care deeply about something, be generally pragmatic but still be bloody difficult occasionally.

MaizieD Mon 08-May-17 11:23:45

So now there’s only one way Theresa May can get the mandate she craves and protect the party she has served: she must call an immediate general election.
The Independent - 11th July 2016

She couldn't have been that bothered if she waited 9 months before doing so. And said several times in the interim that there was no way she was calling a General Election. Sorry, the 'she needs a personal mandate' theory doesn't add up for me.

She's calling it because she is riding high in the polls and sees an opportunity to utterly demolish Labour.

Anniebach Mon 08-May-17 11:26:12

It's what PM's do, always have

daphnedill Mon 08-May-17 11:30:24

Sometimes, the more a person cares, the more they can be difficult, because they don't do compromises, which maybe is very commendable, but doesn't always make for a good "one nation" politician.

Personally, I don't think Theresa May does care. I think she's just "bloody difficult" and stubborn, but maybe just my opinion.

Jalima1108 Mon 08-May-17 11:34:14

It was the opposition which wanted to stir something up.

I think that the word 'opposition' gives the clue to their purpose in life

Beammeupscottie Mon 08-May-17 11:41:07

Labour's woes are self-inflicted. It's not so much the Conservatives winning as Labour losing. Put your own house in order before trying to put a Country to rights, I say to them.

Anniebach Mon 08-May-17 13:45:47

I think May does care, just my opinion based on her upbringing and my many years spent in the company of conservative Christians . I have never been able to understand their thinking but I do know they care

Anniebach Mon 08-May-17 13:46:24

I agree Beam,