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marbles Mon 24-Apr-17 12:42:44

I'm a life-long Labour voter but cannot bear to suppprt Corbyn in the forthcoming election. The party will remain a shambles until it is under proper leadership and he seems to have totally lost the plot. I will not vote Conservative for many reasons and I feel betrayed by Theresa May's u-turn on Brexit, u-turn on not calling an election...there is no trust.

I will not abstain - the vote is a privilege. But for the first time I am seriously at a loss. There is no credible opposition. Locally there are no viable candidates that I feel I can endorse in order to make a point. I need to put my X in the box and it's the first time ever I've thought they are all as bad as each other.

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 19:50:07

Because she wasn't the leader at the time of the last election. So by going to the vote it will be clear to all who the public have voted for.

M0nica Sun 07-May-17 19:54:47

We do not live in a Presidential democracy, we vote for a party not a leader, there is no reason at all why we should have an election just because the leader of the governing party changes.

Eloethan Sun 07-May-17 19:56:47

anniebach You aren't secretive about telling people about your former role in your local Labour Party, your long history in the party, your high profile political friends in the party, the hours you have devoted to canvassing for the party, etc.

Having identified yourself as a "loyal Labour member" of many years' standing, you have not been shy either to rubbish the elected leader of the Labour Party and in so doing undermine the party, not only throughout the last few months but also during an election campaign - to great applause from several of the Conservative supporters on this site who were quite happy to divulge who they voted for.

Perhaps you were not aware of the fact that many people object to political activists approaching them to try and find out their voting intentions. Now you say it is ignorant and nosy for people on an anonymous social website to ask who you are voting for. Yet you have, as you say, throughout the years actually approached people in their homes and asked them face-to-face about their voting intentions.

MaizieD Sun 07-May-17 20:02:07

When the NHS is privatised, welfare cut, education cut even further and she makes a bonfire of worker's rights with her Henry VIII powers I'm sure that you'll all be pleased that you gave her a huge majority, that that she doesn't actually need, for 'Brexit'.

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 20:05:15

Except it's a good idea if you are a remainder politician ,then priminster of a leave electorate to ensure that there is no comeback & she can't be accused of taking the country out of the EU on a technicality that some bright spark is sure to come up with. What ever the outcome the people of Britain will have no excuse that they did not know who or what they are voting for... & you can be sure that is just what would have happened if she didn't call an election damned if you do dammed if you don't. ... politicians can never win & im just mrs average

MaizieD Sun 07-May-17 20:11:22

What ever the outcome the people of Britain will have no excuse that they did not know who or what they are voting for..

So although you're a Remainer voter you're prepared to give her a free rein and to appear to indicate that you're in favour of Brexit after all?

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 20:15:44

NO I am saying that we the electorate cannot say that say she has no right to be doing the remain bargaining because she was a remainder & not the prime minister at the time of the vote .

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 20:17:50

If she fairly & squarly wins this election there is no comeback, if she losses well w who have we got to do any sort of bargaining to get us a good deal ???

Anniebach Sun 07-May-17 20:20:26

Wrong Eleothan, I never say to a voter - who are you voting for .

Speaking the truth about the leader of the Labour Party is not undermining the Labour party, as for opinions of conservative voters on here , they have a right to their opinions , for me, support or attack will not change my opinions .

And I have been more loyal to the Labour Party than the present leader has been or is now.

You expect me to be loyal to such a man? A man who isn't capable of loyalty? Never

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 20:20:42

I was for remaining that does make me unable to see that we just don't have any one else cabable of negotiation as best a deal as possible ,do you really think she is going to try & get a bad deal!!!'

MaizieD Sun 07-May-17 20:22:38

She isn't going to lose, noroses. It's just a question of how much she wins by. I don't think we should make it easy for her..

And, as I hinted at earlier, there is a strong section of informed 'opinion' which holds that she's not that great at Brexit anyway. It's certainly been quite a muddle so far..

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 20:30:14

I don't want to make it easy for her, I her to try & get the best for US, no point in cutting our noses of to spite our face( there's an old saying from childhood) after Brexit is the time to make our feelings known

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 20:31:00

Should read. Want her to get the best for us

durhamjen Sun 07-May-17 20:43:52

After Brexit it will be too late to make our feelings known.

Ginny42 Sun 07-May-17 20:47:09

Too late after Brexit norose4. The horse will have bolted and the stable will be empty. 'Strong and stable' doesn't need to seek affirmation via a GE after 11 months.

Time to make your true feelings known is now.

Ginny42 Sun 07-May-17 20:47:50

Snap DJ.

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 20:50:15

We can't afford to shoot ourselves in the foot ! I believe it's called Hobson's choice , who seriously is there left Corbyn? UKIP? (thank goodness has disappeared up its own a..,) lib dem?!

MaizieD Sun 07-May-17 21:03:35

I don't want to make it easy for her, I her to try & get the best for US,

There is nobody stopping her attempting to do that. We all would like the best possible outcome salvaged from this shambles. But giving her a huge majority isn't going to make any difference to Brexit. It won't impress the EU and it won't make her handling of the negotiations any different.

It is very odd to think of the opposition solely in terms of Corbyn. There are other parties, as well as perfectly sensible Labour MPs, who can unite in opposition against the tories' domestic policy. So long as they are given a chance.

Ana Sun 07-May-17 21:05:46

Brexit's already in progress - do you really think the GE result is going to affect that? confused

Ana Sun 07-May-17 21:07:25

x posts MaizieD

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 21:10:47

You are missing the point ,if she is re-elected then she cannot be accused of having the job of prime minister by default, therefore if she wins the election, no matter what happens with brexit She cannot be accused of going to the negotiations without the confidence of the country or by default & you can sure there will be someone ready to do that , those who care less about this country than their own posturings . I have no love of any party at the moment but we need to use our brains to stop Britain going down the pan

durhamjen Sun 07-May-17 21:14:12

Sorry, norose, but have you swallowed a book of aphorisms?

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 21:16:30

God I will have to get the dictionary out

norose4 Sun 07-May-17 21:24:17

A short saying intended to express a general truth. Oscar WIlde used one to say 'experience is the name everyone gives explain their mistakes '
yes I'm happy with that

rosesarered Sun 07-May-17 21:48:41

Oscar Wilde said some pithy things alright.smile