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marbles Mon 24-Apr-17 12:42:44

I'm a life-long Labour voter but cannot bear to suppprt Corbyn in the forthcoming election. The party will remain a shambles until it is under proper leadership and he seems to have totally lost the plot. I will not vote Conservative for many reasons and I feel betrayed by Theresa May's u-turn on Brexit, u-turn on not calling an election...there is no trust.

I will not abstain - the vote is a privilege. But for the first time I am seriously at a loss. There is no credible opposition. Locally there are no viable candidates that I feel I can endorse in order to make a point. I need to put my X in the box and it's the first time ever I've thought they are all as bad as each other.

POGS Tue 25-Apr-17 11:45:42

Nikki W

You say you always voted Conservative.

So can I ask if you believe the link you advise Lillyflower to read which gives 'it's slant on Corbyn could be biased in any way given Open Democracy is 'possibly' shall I say 'left leaning ' ?

whitewave Tue 25-Apr-17 11:49:01

Well pogs I would be astounded if it was "right leaning" grin

NikkiW Tue 25-Apr-17 11:52:51

Yorkshiregel - see how Labour have costed 14 policies

NikkiW Tue 25-Apr-17 11:54:30

Of course there's bias every where, I'm merely trying to balance the books, we all have to do our own research and come to our own conclusions don't we.

Yorkshiregel Tue 25-Apr-17 11:57:47

Meant to add that you should not just go by what the bbc are telling you. Look how biased they were over Brexit. They are the propagandar machine for the Government so take what they tell you with a pinch of salt. Look at ALL the papers, look on-line, look on political discussion forums to get an all round view before making up your mind.

NikkiW Tue 25-Apr-17 11:59:21

Blinko you're welcome, I hope others will use it because it's very informative and has helped me.

paddyann Tue 25-Apr-17 12:03:08

Anniebach the labour party policy was always anti -nuclear weapons ,its only in recent years that has changed .Maybe they would get more support if they returned to it.My family live on the peninsula where the "deterrent" is,they have armed MOD police patrolling ...soon to be changed to G4S security staff (courtesy of Mrs Mays husbands firm) the waters are polluted in the area ,the convoy passes their door with its warheads on board.I've always been a member of CND and come from a family of Labour supporters who were ALL CND members .The Trident system needs to go ...its a waste of funding and a target for loonies as Phillip Hammond said of North Korea..".having a nuclear capability will only make them a target "

angelab Tue 25-Apr-17 12:04:47

Completely agree paddyann

Yorkshiregel Tue 25-Apr-17 12:10:28

NikkieW thank you for the Labour policies.

Good luck with those then. I always remember what Nick Clegg said when he tripled student university fees ie

'What we promise in our manifesto when out of power is not always possible to offer when we are in power'.

That applies right across the board! Manifesto promises are not worth the paper they are written on imo.

NikkiW Tue 25-Apr-17 12:11:09

Totally agree Paddyann

NikkiW Tue 25-Apr-17 12:13:35

Yep on the whole that's true, as the Conservatives constantly reminding us while they going back on their pledges. Sometimes you just have to go with your gut instinct and while I realise that the reality might be somewhat different, I'd rather have faith in someone than abstain and waste my privileged voting right.

Yorkshiregel Tue 25-Apr-17 12:14:06

paddyann Trident and NATO have kept us safe for 70 years. I think we should keep it.

Is it true that Mrs May's husband's company is linked with G4S? I have never heard that before.

maryhoffman37 Tue 25-Apr-17 12:16:00

I don't want to argue but will just say that I am in total disagreement with the OP. I believe in Socialism and think JC is the first genuinely Socialist politician we have had for a long time.

whitewave Tue 25-Apr-17 12:18:01

mary you can argue as much as you likegrin most of us on here do!!!!

POGS Tue 25-Apr-17 12:19:16

Nikki W'

"Of course there's bias every where, I'm merely trying to balance the books, we all have to do our own research and come to our own conclusions don't we.'

If only people did and did not follow like Gospel some left/right links , sometimes by possibly a fat bloke eating pizza in his pants with an agenda.

NikkiW Tue 25-Apr-17 12:21:07

POGS great description of Rupert Murdoch there ;)

NikkiW Tue 25-Apr-17 12:31:57

The fact is the tory party are slowing killing the UK for their own gain, don't expect things to get better for us underlings.

POGS Tue 25-Apr-17 12:49:02

Nikki W

Could well be, an amusing response .

Goes to show a reason why it is wise to ignore or at least look for yourself , as you say , to 'merely try to balance the books."

Then of course there are BOTS who aren't even human and yet somebody somewhere will hang on to every word a machine tells them to. Crazy people out there.

Anniebach Tue 25-Apr-17 12:54:23

The majority in the country want to keep trident , more so now

daphnedill Tue 25-Apr-17 12:54:32

Careful what you say about Philip May and G4S. It would appear that he doesn't own shares in G4S. This link explains what happened and the accusation has been retracted:

voxpoliticalonline.com/2015/11/26/g4s-categorically-states-theresa-mays-husband-is-not-an-officer-director-or-shareholder/

joannewton46 Tue 25-Apr-17 12:59:46

I haven't voted Labour for many years as they were little different to the conservatives. Sadly the LibDems who I did vote for were totally discredited by Nick Clegg and have no chance.

I WILL vote for Jeremy as I believe he stands for traditional Labour values. Yes, he's split the party - Labour against almost-Tory factions. If the BBC gave him as positive a coverage as the Tories get - or were even neutral - people would get a totally different impression of the man and his beliefs. I have no view either way on Trident but scrapping it would provide all the money the Tories say we don't have to pay for the NHS and social care etc that we need.

The Tories clearly want to destroy the Welfare State and have taken us backwards towards the time before it existed, making it more important than ever. After recent threads and news regarding the loss of benefits for the disabled, increasing use of food banks, increasing homelessness etc bother you, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT and GET RID of May and her cohorts. If you're happy with the way things are going, vote May and G-d help us all!

jevive73 Tue 25-Apr-17 13:12:49

Corbyn for pm and Diane Abbott as deputy. I really hope not. I wsh they would show GBH on telly now, because that is how I view Corbyn. I would love to vote Labour if someone like Alan Johnson was leader of the Labour party

I voted remain but feel now, if we are coming out, Theresa May is the best option. It is rumoured she will get rid of Boris Johnson - yippee.

angelab Tue 25-Apr-17 13:14:17

joannewton46 completely agree, from day 1 bbc have been negative about Jeremy Corbyn, like they wanted rid.

POGS Tue 25-Apr-17 13:17:28

paddyann Tue 25-Apr-17 12:03:08

"soon to be changed to G4S security staff (courtesy of Mrs Mays husbands firm) the waters are polluted in the area.

angelab Tue 25-Apr-17 12:04:47
Completely agree paddyann

Interesting, can either of you provide evidence please.

angelab Tue 25-Apr-17 13:19:29

Sorry POGS don't think it's possible to retrieve bbc coverage from then