Should I vote Labour

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durhamjen Sun 30-Apr-17 22:46:49

Q. Should I vote Labour?
A. You should/ should not vote Labour because.....
is not TELLING anyone how to vote, it's ANSWERING the QUESTION.

I guess you have never been a teacher, POGS."
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All I will say is no I have not been a teacher but if my 'ignorant / uneducated thought is 'TELLING' somebody how to vote includes using terminologies such as "This why you shouldn't vote Tory" ," You need to vote tactically ", is somehow not 'TELLING' somebody what to do then as the saying goes ' My cocks a kipper'.

I really don't understand how the use of the word TELL/TELLING can be viewed differently, happy to be enlightened my school time education was pretty poor and I happy to acknowledge that, even if it makes some posters smugly happy .

I am even more confounded as to the use of the word TELL in these posts of yours durhamjen:-

" In fact, please can you 'tell' those of us who are reading this thread why we should vote Tory, because nobody has so far."

" Can you ' tell' me one positive reason for voting Tory that anyone has put on here?"

I didn't know the use of the word TELL was so specific in it's meaning. There you go.

So now, rather than give us reasons why it may be worth voting for the Labour Party - or any party for that matter - you are arguing about the word 'tell' POGS. More and more whataboutery from the right on here I feel.

This has reminded me of the head of my junior school, - I am NOT asking you I am TELLING you

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I have already given you my reason for not telling anybody how to vote, reason to vote for or against. How many times do you want to hear the same answer?

Look at my post to you on Sunday 17.21.

I have no intentions to tell anybody how to vote , promote one party or another but I will post if and when ' I ' choose to do so, usually if I see overt spin /activism and to be honest at times misleading information.

As for arguing about the word TELL , I have been posting in answer to personal questions made to myself. I would rather my initial post had not been turned into an education lesson but there you go.

Apparently Diane Abbott's son CHOSE his school, so that makes his private education acceptable!!!! Emily Thornberry wants the best (that money can buy) for her children, don't we all!! and as to Shammi? not sure what her excuse is!! Probably not wanting her son to mix with that motley crew at the local Comp!! Yet they all HATE Grammar Schools!! Only children of the super rich can benefit from a private education, God forbid any other children should! Such blatant hypocrisy takes your breath away, and these three are just the ones we know about!! One good reason not to vote for them! annie, your comment at 8.48 made me smile!! Like you, I wonder what J.C's take is re: private education?!

Niggly, these daily promises made by Corbyn are now so cloud cooko land . They are reaching realms of fantasy .

Are all these promises going to take place in five years ? No they are not.

Today heavy fines for rogue landlords , great idea, if given the choice of living in a house needing repairs or being homeless I would choose the former and I have been in that dilemma and did choose the former

You are sounding less and less like a socialist, Annie. On the side of rogue landlords now!

Niggly, what's wrong with wanting the best education for everyone? Or are you saying all children and schools shouldn't aspire to the best education?

POGS, nobody has given a positive reason for voting Tory.
Even you haven't.

POGS, you are becdoming a bit hysterical now, in Annie's favourite phrase.

Since when was asking somebody to tell me why I should vote Tory me telling anyone why they should vote Tory?

Like you, I wonder what J.C's take is re: private education?!
He went to private prep school himself then to a Haberdasher's school, now Grammar, which was also, as far as I know, fee-paying and still takes boarders for which fees are paid (for the boarding, not the education).

Perhaps he was something of a rebel and disliked his schools therefore does not think this type of school is 'best'.
Just supposition.

Niggly, what's wrong with wanting the best education for everyone? Or are you saying all children and schools shouldn't aspire to the best education?
Everyone wants the best education for their child and all schools should aspire to providing the best education - so why do so many people (including many Labour politicians) prefer to educate their children privately and not send them to their local state schools?

No-one ever seems to know the answer to that.

durhamjen Mon 01-May-17 11:45:30

"POGS, nobody has given a positive reason for voting Tory.
Even you haven't."

Yes I have! Read my posts that say why I will not tell anybody how to vote, will not give a reason why anybody should vote.

You then go on to accuse of me of ' becoming hysterical.' when it's YOU who keep asking me questions time and time again so I respond.

That is not a positive reason to vote Tory, POGS.

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Rogue landlords.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/05/01/this-labour-video-about-theresa-strong-smell-of-stables-may-is-the-best-youll-see-all-day/

Jen, are you not capable of discussing fining rogue landlords in stead of you usual put downs , try this

A property for rent but in need of repair

The landlord chooses between paying a heavy fine or paying for repairs

He chooses paying for repairs

No fine and the rent is increased

The tenant chooses between reporting the landlord or remaining silent

She reports the landlord who has the right to end the tenancy , tenant is homeless

Chooses not to report the landlord and keeps the tenancy which means not being homeless

This is real life Jen

durhamjen Mon 01-May-17 12:20:04

"That is not a positive reason to vote Tory, POGS."

Bloody hell you have just made my previous point for me.

You don't let up !

I will say again , I am not going to give a positive/nor negative reason why anybody should vote for ANY PARTY.

Of course not dj but surely it's against socialist principles to buy your childrens education thus giving them an undoubted advantage?! (else why would you do it?) Are you saying that its ok for the wealthy to buy advantage, but that a clever child of parents with modest means who certainly can't afford eye watering school fees, should be denied that same advantage through a Grammar School. How very strange if you do!!

Annie, it might be real life now, but Labour are trying to get that changed.
Is that not what you want?

Are you against penalties for rogue landlords Annie? Just not sure I understand your post.

Niggly there should not be the sort of schools that charge eyewatering fees.
All children should have the same sort of education that rich people can buy.

' "POGS, nobody has given a positive reason for voting Tory.
Even you haven't."

Yes I have! Read my posts that say why I will not tell anybody how to vote, will not give a reason why anybody should vote. '

Sorry, you are not making sense, POGS.
I think you should give up now.

^ but that a clever child of parents with modest means who certainly can't afford eye watering school fees, should be denied that same advantage through a Grammar School.^

The point of opposition to Grammar schools is that it isn't some communist levelling strategy, it is that grammar schools don't have the monopoly on educating 'clever' children. Comprehensive schools are perfectly capable of achieving the same results without being socially divisive. I have never known teachers so united against anything as their total opposition to the reintroduction of Grammar schools...

We had a whole thread on this not so long ago. Are we going to rehash it again? zzzzz

It seems to me Anniebach that you will oppose anything Corbyn proposes.

I really don't see why you would object to proper health and safety housing standards being rigorously enforced, in the same way that such standards are enforced for consumer issues.

Citizens Advice research www.citizensadvice.org.uk/about-us/how-citizens-advice-works/media/press-releases/half-a-million-children-living-in-unsafe-private-rented-homes/ found that:

16 per cent of privately rented homes are physically unsafe
8 per cent of privately rented homes have serious damp.
10 per cent pose a risk of a dangerous fall.
6 per cent are excessively cold.
“There are now more than a million families raising children in privately rented homes in England - three times higher than it was a decade ago.....

"With the cost of buying property rising steeply in many parts of the country, couples with children are now the most common household type in the private rental market.

"Citizens Advice says private renters are woefully under-protected and have to navigate through numerous pieces of complex legislation to seek legal redress from landlords."