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What can TM be thinking of?

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Luckygirl Wed 03-May-17 19:25:02

Sigh and double sigh.

Not content with taking us into an undemocratic referendum when we are all asked to vote on something where no-one could have a clear picture of the options, the conservatives now have a leader who stands and loudly slags off those with whom we need to negotiate for the secure future of the country. All thoroughly irresponsible - it just makes me want to despair.

James2451 Thu 04-May-17 16:05:16

TM's utter arrogance and rudeness to friend we still have in the EU was appalling. I lost several members of my family who fought for peace & Unity in Europe, she gives the impression what they fought was not worth a euro. We now have a PM who is tearing apart all the good relationships and unity, built up since the end of WW2 and what millions of Brits and allies fought for in two WW's. Even close Conservative friends are shocked and cannot justify such arrogance from a Headmistress type bully who is treating people like kinder garden children.

Welshwife Thu 04-May-17 16:06:55

Yes Niggly there are only 27/28 Commisioners - one for each state and decided on by their respective countries. I asked about the beaurocrats who get such a drubbing by some people for simply doing their job! They are simply Civil Servants - and sort out the nitty gritty of the laws the EU Parliament wish to have. There are far fewer than the Civil Servants the UK employs. The Parliament of the Eu has elected members - all quite democratic

James2451 Thu 04-May-17 16:13:14

When the election was called I could not see me voting for Labour under Corbyn, but I have come round to the view his party would be better than one led by TM.
In my part of the UK the Lib Dems have a better chance of beating the Tories and I like many of their policies so I am 95% certain I shall now vote for the Lib Dems.

nigglynellie Thu 04-May-17 16:19:22

Well, I don't want to be run by Brussels/Strasburg that's for sure. Other countries are welcome to Junker and his pals and its beyond me how the far left approve of the cost financial world of the EU, jobs for the boy's wink Bankers and millionaires come to mind! I most certainly don't and I'm an evil Tory!!!

durhamjen Thu 04-May-17 16:19:51

An excellent post, James, at 16.05. I agree completely.

nigglynellie Thu 04-May-17 16:20:09

'cosy'

rosesarered Thu 04-May-17 16:23:26

This divorce' cannot be treated like a domestic divorce, the anology isn't right.
T May and the Conservatives ( a lot of them) wanted to Remain in the EU and try and change it ( as does France, you would think the EU would get the message about changing and actually do something about it). It's the people in the UK who wanted to Leave.The EU have started off badly by leaking detrimental things, and really it could be a good move by T May to stand up to them at this particular time.
The EU is bound to be annoyed that we are leaving, we bring a vast amount of money into it, and the UK leaving isn't just the same as say Poland deciding to go.
There do seem to be a lot of inflated egos in Brussels and maybe a hint of sexism as well ( would they really be the same in dealing with a strong male PM I wonder)
Not Corbyn I hasten to add ( he comes under the heading of weak male leader).
There's going to be so much wheeling and dealing in the next two years though, so I don't think anyone should get too hung up on the rhetoric.

angelab Thu 04-May-17 16:24:30

nellie what about the astronomical cost likely to be needed to leave the EU?

Ana Thu 04-May-17 16:27:02

But they'll carry on anyway roses...

Jane10 Thu 04-May-17 16:37:53

Can anyone name UK politician who would be a better person to lead us into Brexit negotiations? Anyone who commands respect and has a good grasp of the complexities of it all? I can only think of Theresa May. Any suggestions and the basis for them?

varian Thu 04-May-17 16:43:40

Tim Farron and /or Nick Clegg to name just two. I don't think TM has a grasp of it all and she has lost a lot of respect in the past months.

James2451 Thu 04-May-17 16:45:50

David Miliband should be encouraged to return to politics, he was an excellent foreign secretary and would make a great leader for the Labour Party.

varian Thu 04-May-17 16:46:10

What we really need is some way of mitigating the damage if the British people are not allowed to decide to stay put.

ninny Thu 04-May-17 16:46:47

Varian you must be joking. That pair would sell us down the swanny.

nigglynellie Thu 04-May-17 16:47:48

It would astronomical to stay, the next few years could be financially tricky for the EU. Poor Greece and their financial woes are beginning to rear again just for starters!
Yes, I detect overtones of chauvinism, in this majority boys club particularly under these circumstances. Who do you suggest as a strong man roses?!!!!

Ana Thu 04-May-17 16:47:59

I thought they'd voted NOT to 'stay put' in the EU referendum.

nigglynellie Thu 04-May-17 16:57:53

And that Tim Farron and Nick Clegg respected the result!! Those two would certainly roll over and beg forgiveness for our foolish ways, accept any punishment and totally demean themselves and us. Mrs May hasn't lost any respect around here, in fact people see her as our only hope for a settlement. Let's face it, there's not much choice if any!

GracesGranMK2 Thu 04-May-17 17:04:34

So what if it's what you describe as chauvinism niggly - although that seems a strange description. So what if it's any name you care to call it. No one is going to make it easier for us and many will want to make it worse and we asked for it to be this way.

It would be quite a turn around if we stayed but it isn't impossible just improbable.

durhamjen Thu 04-May-17 17:17:17

I like that roses, T May and the Conservatives (a lot of them) voted to remain; it's the people in the UK who wanted to leave.

What are you saying about Conservatives?

durhamjen Thu 04-May-17 17:22:51

Having spent five years as the DPP, and having conducted cases in the ECHR, I think Keir Starmer is probably uniquely qualified to negotiate with the EU, and will be much better than May.
He has written books on human rights law.
Or maybe he's one of those experts that nobody trusts.

Jane10 Thu 04-May-17 17:39:16

In theory Keir Starmer might be OK but he's only been an MP for 2 years. He should be involved in a team approach to the Brexit negotiations though. We'll need to use all the experience and talent we can find. I always rated Vince Cable but don't think he could lead.

nigglynellie Thu 04-May-17 17:40:50

Truth to tell I expect much more is going on behind the scenes than we will ever know about! It's well known that the government of the day often liaise with opposition parties on serious issues. What you see, is not necessarily what you get either here or in the EU. Public consumption is often contrived.

Welshwife Thu 04-May-17 18:59:01

I only asked about Beaurocrats - did write an answer to your reply but can't see it - have been out to the GP so not at my best!

daphnedill Thu 04-May-17 19:20:12

Is this what Theresa May really thinks about Brexit?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL-6kBDkgxo

What changed her mind?

Is it possible to believe anything she says?

Welshwife Thu 04-May-17 19:27:05

The answer to your last question DD is NO!!!