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What can TM be thinking of?

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Luckygirl Wed 03-May-17 19:25:02

Sigh and double sigh.

Not content with taking us into an undemocratic referendum when we are all asked to vote on something where no-one could have a clear picture of the options, the conservatives now have a leader who stands and loudly slags off those with whom we need to negotiate for the secure future of the country. All thoroughly irresponsible - it just makes me want to despair.

daphnedill Thu 04-May-17 19:35:55

Have you watched the video?

I agree with you.

sunseeker Thu 04-May-17 19:36:00

As far as I am aware she has never denied she wanted to stay in the EU however, as PM she is respecting the result of the referendum and is intent on carrying through with Brexit.

daphnedill Thu 04-May-17 19:38:38

EITHER

She doesn't believe in what she's doing, which could explain why she's playing "hard";

OR

She's a downright liar and will say what she thinks is in her interests on the day.

daphnedill Thu 04-May-17 19:40:14

I don't think so, sunseeker. She's putting Number 1 first and the back benchers are getting to her.

That's why local constituencies haven't been allowed to select their own candidates for vacancies. They had a list imposed from Conservative HQ.

daphnedill Thu 04-May-17 19:44:22

May was right first time. Brexit is going to be a disaster for the UK.

MargaretX Thu 04-May-17 20:17:43

Always the same statements about Juncker being not elected.
Oringinally he must have been and is now doing a job that many are glad they don't have to do. I read in our German paper that Davies is considered by the Eu to be incompetent. At least you can't call Juncker that!
He is not at his best speaking English. I have metioned that before.
As for them being a lot of men not used to a strong women then they have forgotten Angela Merkel
The EU men have had to get used to her yet she keeps her cool and is always well mannered.

I think a lot will settle when the French election is over when Macron has won(hopefully)

Apparently a lot of money has gone into bricks and mortar and civil servants belonging to the EU and this money is now invested and cannot be repaid to the Uk just because they have decided to leave.

sunseeker Thu 04-May-17 20:45:57

Apparently Le Pen has said that one way or another France will have a woman running it, either her or Merkel!

Jalima1108 Thu 04-May-17 20:56:43

But - Merkel is just the leader of one country in the EU out of 28 27 member states. She is not the leader of the EU although sometimes it would appear to be the case.

trisher Thu 04-May-17 20:59:40

May was a terrible Home Secretary and has presided over a number of government gaffes since she became PM. The chances of her negotiating successfully with the EU are very slight. The EU has set out perfectly reasonable concerns including the protection of citizens and borders. If she gets in TM will mess up the whole thing with the assistance of her FS Boris. If it wasn't so vitally important it would be a great joke.

daphnedill Thu 04-May-17 21:21:52

I have no doubt she will be returned. Anybody who wants to keep her majority to a minimum should do what they can. It really isn't a joke.

durhamjen Thu 04-May-17 22:29:49

Trisher, I have heard that if she gets a big enough majority, she will get rid of Boris. Even she knows what a liability he is now. She also knows by now that she needs to get rid of Davis. Can't remember the last time I heard Liam Fox say anything.

However, I do agree with daphne.
If you want to stop her becoming more of a dictator than she already is, you should vote tactically.

POGS Thu 04-May-17 22:32:28

"In theory Keir Starmer might be OK but he's only been an MP for 2 years."

Keir Starmer made his speech which laid out Labours position on how they would negotiate Brexit, what Labour want to happen. He was made a laughing stock like Dianne Abbot , they both talked rubbish.

stillaliveandkicking Thu 04-May-17 22:37:55

In my view I have no idea what you are on about OP. Theresa May has done nothing but show how strong she is in leadership. I voted to get out of the EU and she's delivering.

POGS Thu 04-May-17 22:38:38

When and why did the Lib Dems move from wanting a referendum in 2008 to being unable to accept the result of one in 2016?

durhamjen Thu 04-May-17 22:39:13

I thought you were Ukip, saaki.

stillaliveandkicking Thu 04-May-17 22:39:34

The supposed "diplomatic" leaders of the EU are however showing their true colours.

durhamjen Thu 04-May-17 22:40:29

When and why did May move from wanting to remain to wanting a hard Brexit?

stillaliveandkicking Thu 04-May-17 22:43:31

May has done what she was elected to do. The democracy that she live in has chosen to get out of the EU and May will do that as leader of such a "democracy" That's what it means to be part of one.

Why are you choosing to be such a naysayer yet again jen.

MaizieD Thu 04-May-17 22:45:03

I voted to get out of the EU and she's delivering.

Just such a shame that she's bent on destroying the UK's democratic institutions and public services in the process.

And so far on Brexit she's delivered very little beyond antagonising the EU that she claimed she wanted a close and special relationship with.

MaizieD Thu 04-May-17 22:47:29

And she wasn't elected to the post of PM at all. She got the post by default because all the other very poor candidates dropped out.

durhamjen Thu 04-May-17 22:49:28

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Bloody foreigners!

daphnedill Thu 04-May-17 22:51:45

May wasn't elected to anything, apart from MP for Maidenhead.

The PM's role is not just to negotiate Brexit.

There's precious little democratic about May.

durhamjen Thu 04-May-17 22:52:55

The Tories will be wishing they hadn't started this.

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daphnedill Thu 04-May-17 22:52:59

May is a weak leader. She can't even get her own chancellor's budget through parliament or face the plebs in public.

daphnedill Thu 04-May-17 22:54:42

True colours? Yes, they're being diplomatic and not whinging "victims". Has May been given a copy of Farage's handbook? grin