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whitewave Fri 12-May-17 11:40:03

That's a bum, can anyone cut and paste or something the manifesto that took me blood sweat and tears to do this morning please!!!???

durhamjen Thu 18-May-17 15:49:41

No it isn't. It's important to listen to Hammond's response, telling a nurse that what she says doesn't matter. He actually says at the end "These are the important things.." as if what she is saying isn't important. It is to her and her family.

Do you really want to be judge over every story that you are told about people living in fear?
"I am not going to believe you unless you tell me your whole life story."
Sorry, but that's not on.

Anniebach Thu 18-May-17 15:54:55

I am now irritated by claims of can't sfford food, I don't mean the genuine people eho sre going hungry but nurses using food banks and yesterday - police officers are using food banks

angelab Thu 18-May-17 16:22:10

ab are you suggesting that there are no nurses or policement who can't afford to buy food? You should see what just the cost of keeping a roof over your head is where I live. I'm impressed so many of them can afford to buy food!

Anniebach Thu 18-May-17 16:46:59

Then we can assume teachers too use food banks ? Do police no longer receive housing allowance ?

rosesarered Thu 18-May-17 17:13:14

Of course nurses and policemen can afford to buy food, we have both in the family and they earn a good salary!
As ab says it will be teachers next, then maybe firemen and who knows after that?
No, they are well paid, so the examples you hear on tv and radio are extreme cases, where you need to know the whole back story.
Why are we not hearing about cleaners and shop workers using food banks, who earn considerably less!

rosesarered Thu 18-May-17 17:16:57

Yes durhamjen is the answer to the question 'I am not going to believe you etc'
It would be naive and wrong to believe everything you see and hear, you would want the full facts.

Anniebach Thu 18-May-17 17:21:40

Perhaps people who have heavy debts from gambling or over spending with credit cards roses

Not one police officer in my area lives in rented accommodation, not one of our workmen earn over £30,000, as do police officers, and not one goes to a food bank ,

durhamjen Thu 18-May-17 17:28:51

In that case, roses, next time you put a problem on GN, you ought to give us your whole life story, so we know the full facts before we respond.

Can you tell us why you support May all the time?

rosesarered Thu 18-May-17 21:14:42

I never put problems on GN.

rosesarered Thu 18-May-17 21:17:38

I support May for the GE because a Corbyn led government could bring the UK to financial ruin.
The next one (GE) in 5 years could well be different to my voting intentions.

Jalima1108 Thu 18-May-17 21:25:24

We need to know the whole picture as it is all relevant

No it isn't

Of course it is - 'a nurse' could be a health-care assistant abandoned by her partner, struggling to bring up several children on her own and partner leaving her with debt and refusing to help more than he has to to fund his own children.

'A nurse' can be highly qualified and highly paid and in the higher tax bracket.

So saying that nurses, teachers, policemen are needing to use food banks would need further investigation of the circumstances of the individuals concerned because otherwise a false picture could be portrayed.

whitewave Thu 18-May-17 21:31:05

Actually I think that if anyone is forced to use a food bank for whatever reason it is a tragedy for that person, and even more so for their children.

In a country like ours which is awash with wealth it is not only a tragedy but utterly immoral.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 18-May-17 21:43:47

I couldn't agree more whitewave.

It is lovely if we and our own family are doing well (that is those of us who are) but I don't get the 'ignore those who are not and assume that someone somewhere is lying about the difficulties so that it doesn't disturb my peace of mind' attitude.

durhamjen Thu 18-May-17 21:50:24

We do not need to know individual circumstances. Nobody goes to a foodbank because they want to. We need to give them the dignity of believing what they say, not argue about what grade nurse they are.

Agree completely, whitewave, and GracesGran.
As a country we should be ashamed at the idea of nurses and policemen and teaching assistants having to go to food banks, not be questioning them.

durhamjen Thu 18-May-17 22:16:15

Reasons to vote Labour, particularly if you are disabled or know someone who is. Or even if you are concerned about the rights of disabled people.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/18/vote-labour-to-uphold-the-rights-of-disabled-people

Anniebach Thu 18-May-17 22:23:15

I do not believe police officers need food banks ,

MaizieD Thu 18-May-17 22:37:51

As a country we should be ashamed at the idea of nurses and policemen and teaching assistants having to go to food banks, not be questioning them.

I think we might have to accept that there is, and always has been, broadly speaking, two diametrically opposed views on issues like this. There are those who are deeply suspicious of anyone who is getting any sort of benefit or handout because they might not be deserving of it, and those who feel it is best to believe people are in real need and who are prepared to accept that a few cheats might get through the system but it is more important to help all people in need than worry about possible 'cheats'.

durhamjen Thu 18-May-17 22:46:58

Well said, Maizie.

Anniebach Thu 18-May-17 23:00:58

Why would someone earning a police officers wage not be able to buy food?

GracesGranMK2 Fri 19-May-17 09:04:32

Good summary Maizie - but that makes for a very big problem. One group want to work co-operatively to solve the problems all have and the other group want to pull up the drawbridge and take out the guns. I doubt that we will see and easy and gentle old age as we go into it.

rosesarered Fri 19-May-17 11:01:49

You are completely missing the point on this, Police officers and qualified nurses are paid very well.Therefore if any need to use a food bank something has gone disastrously wrong in their life ( nobody has suggested they may not be deserving of it) and these people are exreme examples, nobody should imagine that broad swathes of nurses and policemen are on their uppers in this way.
So when somebody says, look at this! Even nurses and policemen are now needing foodbanks under this Tory government! It gives a completely false impression of things.

rosesarered Fri 19-May-17 11:02:49

That is why a back story is needed.

gillybob Fri 19-May-17 11:18:05

Claims that nurses and police officers are using food banks is almost mocking those who really have no choice but to do so.

Where I live nurses, teachers and police officers etc. are probably the most well paid people and they tend to live in the more expensive houses.

Maybe the "poor" nurse, teacher or copper should spare a thought for someone earning minimum/living wage on a zero hours contract. Poor police officers? Poor nurses? Poor teachers ? Don't make me laugh.

yggdrasil Fri 19-May-17 11:24:47

<Why would someone earning a police officers wage not be able to buy food?>

A new PC earns around £20,000 pa. If he/she lives in the South East, that could mostly go on rent. It doesn't take much of a crisis to put someone over the edge, even if only temporarily.
And nurses have to pay tuition fees on top of accommodation.

gillybob Fri 19-May-17 11:32:35

New PC's or nurses are quite well paid (the clue is in the word new) considering they are young people learning on the job. Most young people in training would receive much less.