Should I vote Labour Mark 11

Enough has been said, angie, about the Tories "deliberately" targeting the poor because of their hatred of them, so why shouldn't someone say that Labour policies will ruin businesses? They might not be trying deliberately, but they could well succeed.

labourlist.org/2017/05/pm-corbyn-would-scrap-tuition-fees-from-this-september/

Proper figures and timing here, Elegran.
Your figures are assuming that every student's fees are scrapped from September. That's scaremongering!

By the way, Annie used to read Labourlist, so she could have got this information.

I support spending money on the Arts - the recent focus on mental health confirms that the Arts are important in supporting our mental health. We need the arts to be part of school and ordinary life if we want to improve our society.

I don't support abolishing student fees totally. I believe £3000 a term for a couple of hours as week is extortionate. Two year degree courses, rather than 3 would lower student loans and for many degree courses would be achievable.

The fact that not all graduates "use" their degree in their working life shouldn't negate the importance of those who choose to, going away to university. I absolutely agree that the emphasis on A level and Degree level study detracted from proper vocational training or apprenticeships. other European countries seem to manage this so much better (as they do health and social care). The polarised discussions on so many of the political threads tend to confirm the need for all of us to recognise everyone's point of view is important and consensus, where its achievable, has to be better than all out war.

press.labour.org.uk/post/160943491984/labour-will-lift-38-billion-debt-burden-from

Same with this.

If only we had an edit button - of course, I should have added I will vote Labour. I only wish the LP had a different leadership team. It doesn't. Their policies are generally much better for the country and they do seem to have been costed. In any event, why should public services be destroyed because of so called austerity. We are a wealthy country. Countries that prioritise health, social care, education etc etc have better outcomes than we do.

Did you take into account the currently unpaid loans and those they think will remain unpaid Elegran? Or the increased taxes that many of those with degrees can earn?

"Labour will abolish tuition fees for home students in England studying standard undergraduate first degrees at established universities and further education colleges from the academic year starting in 2018 – the earliest it will be possible to pass the legislation through parliament. (University is already free for EU students in Scottish universities)

· To discourage students who are planning to start university this September from deferring until after tuition fees are removed, we will guarantee to immediately write off their first year of fees.

· Students part way through their degree will not have to pay fees for the remainder of their course. Part-time students will be covered for the cost of their first undergraduate degree.

· Students who have already graduated will be protected from above inflation interest rate rises on existing debt. And we will look for ways to ameliorate this debt burden in future.

· We will seek to provide free tuition for EU students and seek reciprocal arrangements at EU universities as part of the Brexit negotiations. We will remove EU and international students from the net migration figures and preserve the current system of fees for non-EU students.

· The average student leaves university with almost £45,000 worth of debt, which they would pay off through their lifetime. Under our plans this will be reduced by an average of more £27,000 for students who don’t qualify for a maintenance grant, and to zero for students who do.

· We have costed the abolition of tuition fees at £9.5 billion annually in 2021/22 prices (the £11.2 billion figure for higher education listed in our Grey Book published alongside the manifesto also included £1.7 billion for maintenance grants). Over four years (from 2018/19 academic year, this is £38 billion). It will be paid for by increasing income tax for the top 5 per cent of earners and reversing the Conservatives’ cuts to corporation tax. The £9.5 billion is an estimate of the actual revenues currently being paid to universities through fees, and this money will all go directly back into universities so they will not lose out.

· In 2015/16 there were 365,700 full-time first year students studying their first undergraduate degrees in England (Higher Education Statistics Agency). In 2014/15 there were 38,600 part-time students studying their first undergraduate degree (own calculations). Assuming student numbers stay roughly constant, approximately 400,000 students will benefit each year."

Costings, just in case anyone doesn't want/can't be bothered to read links.

This increase in income tax for the top 5% of earners is going to have to finance an awful lot of Labour's policies! Theoretically.

One thing, Corbyn said this morning they will be scrapped this Autumn , this is 2017 not 2018

Read it more closely, Ana. There's a bit more than the tax rate for the top 5% of earners. It says the reverses in corporation tax, too. Did you miss that?

You haven't read the Tory ones, because they haven't done any costings, but Labour have.

Read the second paragraph as well, Annie. It's explained in the first and second paragraphs.

By the way, that's from the Labour Party website. I thought you would realise, being a good Labour Party member.

Well there you go Ana! If you actually work it out, and understand ALL declared monies in (not just one source of income) and all monies out, it's just amazing what you can do.

As opposed to asking the British Electorate just to like you and therefore sign a blank check.

Where did I say I'd read the Tory party costings?

So virtually all Labour's policies are to be funded by the 5% tax and reverse in corporation tax. Where on earth did they find this hugely otimistic 'independent body'?

And as someone who doesn't miss Corbyn even blowing his nose I thought you would listened to him this morning, being a good Corbyn party member Jen

How many houses are to built in the first year ?

Oh annie, there's no such thing as "a good Corbyn party member", you're getting mixed up with "a good May party member"

Sigh!

So the entire manifesto has been costed at 48bn

This is outlined in detail

How this will be paid for is also outlined in detail.

I could put it on here but as it is easy to find it isn't necessary.

Now I'm going to look for the Conservative costs and how they intend to raise it. I'll let you know where to find it as soon as I am able.

Well you won't find them as they've not been pubished yet...

Sorry, I cannot speak for the Tory party Angelab not a mrmber, I can say as a Labour Party member what we have now is a Labour Party being taken over by militants,trots and communists which is a Corbyn party

annie JC was democratically elected twice!!

But annie will tell you angel that it was trots, militants and the like that voted for him. All other sensible right if centre members voted for someone else. Shame they don't outnumber the trots. What is this country coming to.