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Should I vote Labour Mark 11

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whitewave Fri 12-May-17 11:40:03

That's a bum, can anyone cut and paste or something the manifesto that took me blood sweat and tears to do this morning please!!!???

Ana Mon 22-May-17 12:32:37

If by 'costed' you mean funded by borrowing, yes I can believe that of the Labour Party policies.

Anniebach Mon 22-May-17 12:32:49

Costed perhaps , so much borrowing

Ana Mon 22-May-17 12:33:53

Snap!

Anniebach Mon 22-May-17 12:37:36

Sorry X post Ana .

Have all free school meals , free music lessons etc been costed ?

Free university places this year, where will this come from? Will universities wait untill the taxes of the wealthy few have been paid ?

gillybob Mon 22-May-17 12:40:40

It would seem that Labours promises are costed via huge amounts of borrowing together with ensuring that as many businesses as possible either go down,leave the country, or cut staff to an absolute minimum.

whitewave Mon 22-May-17 12:57:16

None So blind

Ana Mon 22-May-17 13:00:36

Well, do explain whitewave, as you're so knowledgeable on the subject.

Anniebach Mon 22-May-17 13:12:09

No fees come September for new students

No fees for those who have started their studies

All this to be paid before September ,how?

angelab Mon 22-May-17 13:31:52

Come on Annie, at least they've made a stab at cosing - Tories haven't even done that

angelab Mon 22-May-17 13:32:05

costing

gillybob Mon 22-May-17 13:37:54

To be fair I don't think that TM has made any wild promises in her manifesto. Unlike the LP which just seem to be give, give give without the foggiest clue where the money will really come from.

Anniebach Mon 22-May-17 13:57:19

But Angelab, making a stab at costing isn't costing . I don't recall the Tory manifesto promising a quarter of what labour are promising,

I understand they want to keep as many seats as they can but I think this is as far as they have thought, if they were to win the election the same would happen to Lsbour as happened to the Libs, and they collapsed because of one broken promise.

whitewave Mon 22-May-17 14:00:21

Costed by an independent body is not a stab at costing, it is costed.

Tories have no costing whatsoever

rosesarered Mon 22-May-17 14:09:01

Who believes the Labour costings? It will be printing money and massive borrowing.On top of that they will try and ruin businesses.

rosesarered Mon 22-May-17 14:10:22

You cannot promise all the things they are promising without tears before bedtime.

whitewave Mon 22-May-17 14:10:29

Point madegrin

Anniebach Mon 22-May-17 14:18:01

Can you confirm how these university fees will be paid in two months Whitewave?

durhamjen Mon 22-May-17 14:19:19

Who believes the Tory costings?

Sorry, forgot, there aren't any. They don't need to give us any until the Autumn budget, do they?

durhamjen Mon 22-May-17 14:20:17

Annie, you are most definitely not socialist.
No good pretending you are any more.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 22-May-17 14:22:46

No I haven't seen them either Jen - but then the Theresa May team doesn't seem to have done either.

Elegran Mon 22-May-17 14:24:25

Here is a stab at costing free further/higher education.
University fees can be up to £9,000 per student per year
There were 2.28 million students in higher education providers (excluding further education colleges) in the UK in 2015-2016.

The cost of their fees could total
£9,00 x 2.28 million = £16,560,000,000.
That is more than sixteen and a half billion pounds a year (taking a billion as a million million) If you follow the US in taking a billion as a thousand muillion, it is over 165 billion pounds a year

This number of students seems not to include those in further education colleges. I couldn't find any numbers or costings for those, but they would add considerably to the total. Then there are the mature students taking advantage of "lifetime learning" for the rest of their lives.

If fees were paid, many more students would enroll who are put off at the moment by the cost. That would be a good thing for their education, but the cost to the taxpayer would be astronomical.

Promise anything that does the trick is the watchword.

angelab Mon 22-May-17 14:25:55

roses "they will try and ruin businesses."??? Why on earth would they want to do that???

rosesarered Mon 22-May-17 14:26:21

I can see that ab is not a Marxist/Trotskyist as a great deal of Labour MP's and voters are not either.It is a crass comment to make durhamjen to belittle another poster in this way ( who you know is a staunch Labour supporter.)

Elegran Mon 22-May-17 14:27:43

You mean, Socialists shouldn't be asking how sixteen and a half billion pounds can be produced in a few months for one part of their expansive agenda, dj?

durhamjen Mon 22-May-17 14:28:17

Not any more, I don't, roses. I know she used to be as she said so.