Should I vote Labour Mark 11

Yes I know Angelab , leopards do not change their spots though

Nope no costing from Maybot.

We don't even know any real detail relating to the latest u- turn. Fancy voting and hoping for the best!!

Perhaps the costing will be published tomorrow

Fancy voting for a man who is walking in the footsteps of the Donald

Don't understand, Annie...?

I already told you there are no Tory costings yet whitewave - they won't be pubished until nearer to the election.

Get back to your brexit book!

No, Ana. They have said they don't need to do costings before the election. We can just trust them!
They do not need to do any until the Autumn election, they say.

This morning's front page in the i.
Tories stand firm after care wobble.
No change to unpopular policies for elderly after weekend polls show Labour closing gap.

I wonder what tomorrow's front page will say?

"Tories wobble" oh no strong and stable strong and stable strong and stable strong and stable

I nearly went off message then.

Where did I say I'd read the Tory party costings?
It was very obvious you hadn't Ana. It's so annoying when these things called facts get in the way isn't it.

So virtually all Labour's policies are to be funded by the 5% tax and reverse in corporation tax.
No Ana.

Perhaps the costing will be published tomorrow
whitewave.

I want to put on record, as a socialist and long time Labour Party member I am sickened by this mornings announcement that university fees will be scrapped this year and advising registrating to vote must be done today . Just a step away from trying to buy votes, why wasn't it in the manifesto ?

And you can scoff and hold your sides laughing at me all you want, GGetc, ww and durj - but I coudn't care less!

Ana May has said they WONT be posting them - unless she changes her mind again. She has actually said that.

She doesn't feel the need to tell the proles what it will cost them and possibly let us see what she is doing to us all. She is working on the mushroom theory of management. I thought you understood that. You will be signing a blank check if you put her in to power.

A what?

And why aren't you lot praising Corbyn for all the work he's doing on the doorsteps of Britain touting for Labour votes? Or does he just sit back, leave it all to his lackeys and make the odd forray into voting land when he's sure he'll get a good reception?

This is one cost they did put in their manifesto.

" On the NHS, the Tory manifesto says: "We will increase NHS spending by a minimum of £8 billion in real terms over the next five years, delivering an increase in real funding per head of the population for every year of the parliament."

What does this mean?

Does it mean what it says - £8bn of extra funding over five years, a mere pittance given the huge funding requirements of the service?

Does it mean what it might say - £8bn a year for five years, a significant commitment that would have a meaningful impact on the struggling NHS?

The manifesto certainly sounds like the former, and this is what the Tory press office said this morning. But then Conservative MP and potential post-election cabinet minister Dominic Raab told Andrew Neil on the BBC that it was £8bn each year - that means £40bn in total. Significant money.

The confusion was not limited to journalists - seasoned and respected health think tanks were working the phones, trying to decode the commitment as well.

In the end, Conservative press office has clarified that it's neither - it's not £8bn over five years, but it's not £8bn a year. It's £8bn more in the fifth year of the next parliament than now.

But what about the years in between?

We don't know. They don't know. The press office is trying to find out. But at this moment, there is absolutely no clarity on how much the Conservatives will spend on the NHS - it could be a little over £8bn over five years, or it could be just under £40bn over five years.

And we don't know where the money will come from. Partly because we don't know for sure whether this is simply recycling George Osborne's commitment made in 2015 to spend £8bn more by 2020, in which case, large chunks will not be new money.

So we have anywhere between £8bn and £40bn with no apparent costing."

Anyone understand it?

Create a unified national education service for England that is free at the point of use

Abolish university tuition fees, reintroduce maintenance grants, and restore the education maintenance allowance for 16-18 year olds from lower and middle income backgrounds

Free school meals for all schoolchildren

From Labour's manifesto, Annie. You really should read it.

All this 'blank cheque ' ( or blank check) stuff , it doesn't mean anything at all.
All governments get a say in what happens when they have been elected.
If it means terms of Brexit, then it's unknowable anyway what we will come out at the end with.

I read somewhere that there will be no actual extra money - just the usual smoke and mirrors.

Talking about Brexit did I tell you I'm reading this really good book?

I agree ab it's the closest to buying votes brazenly that I have ever seen!

Yes ww many times, is it a funny one by any chance?

Page 43 of the manifesto.

Oh! Similar to Cameron's pre-election promises? So ridiculous that they weren't workable.

Cameron's 2010 promises were even better. No top down reorganisation of the NHS, anyone?

Has your brexit book got pictures, whitewave?