Ian Brady

Well in some ways I don't think he deserved to have any of his wishes respected albeit costing taxpayer money to keep him alive yesnhe should have died but not for his sake,

I can't show mercy on such purely evil creature as him

Chew baca well said I too hope hindley and Brady rot in hell if there is one

He was receiving 'palliative care' celebgran - I am not sure he knew the meaning of either word.

I agree with Anya too

He had psychotic episodes in his teens, was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic when in prison but later claimed he'd faked the symptoms lhe observed in mentally inmat s at Wormwood Scrubs. He was also diagnosed as having an anti social narcissistic personality disorder.
Schizophrenia is a mental health problem that can be treated by drugs and sufferers helped with support from mental health workers.

Anti social, narcicistic personality disorders are less likely to respond to treatment. Brady is usually referred to by those involved in his care, or the various tribunals he's been involved with, as a cold, manipulative man.

I sympathise with people who have mental health problems. I understand why many psychiatrists see these kind of personality problems as untreatable.

And so I will not wish him to eternal damnation,

There shouldn't be any discussion of where Brady's ashes finish up. Any old dustbin will do just fine!
His solicitor, Robin Makin, son of Rex Makin (Slimy, slippery git that he is) saw Brady recently to discuss what arrangements Brady wanted for his funeral and afterwards. What right did Brady have to decide what happens to his body? He decided what happened to his five victims, so should have no 'say' in this matter.
As for Hindley knitting a gift for a baby, I'd have told her where to shove it!

So glad the coroner has not released that fiends body until he gets assurarance that his ashes will not be spread on Saddleworth Moor.

That the creature wanted that ,just shows it is another way to taunt the families.

He should have no say where he is buried, or like murderers in the past who were executed, he should stay in the confines of the prison grounds.

Perhaps his brain being used for research purposes might be interesting?

Phoenix I think that's a good point and a very good idea I think they need to know a lot more about these peoples brain structure as I do think we are all defining mental illness in modern media terms None of us knows what it's like inside someone's brain or why they do what they do
What is mental illness?isn't it purely that some parts of the brain work in a certain different way either through being born so, too much or too little of something or through their environment whilst growing There are many things that we do every day that is normal for us but not normal for others When these spill over into malicious, cruel or murderous behaviour we call someone evil and believe they did it on purpose, Can anyone really be 'normal' when they kill, torture or harm This doesn't make them not guilty but I think we do need to accept that all these harmful people may have the inability to go against their nature
I think it is right to keep these killers in prison away from society so they can't do it again but I think all murderers must have a very different brain wiring set up to the average person
I ve always thought Jeremy Bamber is innocent and I don't agree with the death penalty, just saying

I agree bluebelle, it troubles me, these crimes were committed fifty years ago, this year we had a thread on how good it is to talk of mental illness , if this is needed now what was it like fifty years ago. I did say on that thread about - clean mental illness

There is no capital punishment in the UK. There is no authority that make a decision that someone is so evil that they should be killed as a punishment for her or his crime, however appalling that crime may be. There is no authority that decides someone is not evil enough for a death sentence even though she/he has committed a terrible crime. There is no system that balances the cost of keeping someone in prison or in a secure mental health hospital against the taking of their life, regardless of the criminal's age at the time of conviction, regardless of the severity of the crime, regardless of public and press cries for blood.

These are some of the things that make the UK a civilised country.

Bluebelle. I think I'm right in saying that if Jeremy Bamber would admit to the murder of his sister and parents and show remorse, he would have been released by now. It certainly makes me wonder whether a miscarriage of justice has occurred.

I also agree with you that, in my view, anyone who commits these awful crimes must be so emotionally and psychologically damaged or mentally deranged that their way of thinking and behaving is totally alien to most people.

I'm not sure what the point is of outpourings of hatred - there is enough viciousness in the world without adding to it.

Can you imagine being the mum or dad; sister or brother; granny or grandad; aunt or uncle; neighbour or friend of John Kilbride; Lesley Ann Downey; Keith Bennett; Pauline Reade or Edward Evans? Which do you think would be worse to live with for the rest of your life: knowing that Brady & Hindley sexually abused your child before murdering them but their bodies were eventually found? Or never knowing what happened to your child before they were murdered and their body was never found? Because this is exactly what those families have had to live with for the last 50 years; the agony, guilt, misery and hopelessness that would even lead you to begging your child's murderer to please tell you where the bodies are so that they can bring them home.
Eleothan, I can understand you being puzzled by the outpouring of hatred for Brady and wondering what it can achieve. But in Ashton-under-Lyne, and nearby towns, that hatred is as strong today as it was in 1963. The murders of those children scarred us forever. Public feeling was, up until Brady's death, that they didn't want him, or Hindley, to be hanged. They wanted them to be released so that the families of those children could do to them what they had done to their children. And can you truthfully, honestly say that you wouldn't feel the same if it was your child?
Walk a mile in their shoes.......

But we're not in their shoes, are we? I don't see the point of hatred by people who were never involved. I just don'tsee what it serves, so I agree with Eloethan. Brady and Hindley were caught before they murdered anybody else - thank goodness - and were incarcerated for the rest of their lives. It doesn't really matter whether they were classified as mentally ill. They were dangerous and it was right that they were never released.

I was involved daphne.

Unfortunately no amount of delving will ever get answers. People always have a choice no matter their childhood. Glad he's dead.

If he had murdered my child, I would have spent the rest of my life hoping he was in the most pain possible for as long as possible.

Well you re actually missing the point completely stillalive ' people always have a choice no matter their childhood ' If someone has a mental health problem they probably don't have the same kind of cognitive ability to chose how to act as you and me

I m not defending Brady or any other murderer they need removing from society, it also doesn't mean I have any less sympathy for the families than you, I think they have lived through hell and I can't imagine how they have got through life all I am saying is I don't believe someone is born evil but I do believe they may be born with a mind that doesn't operate from the same peramatures as 'normal'
What if someone is born with a missing link in their brain ? Surely it needs more investigation than interviews with a psycharitrist, brains of these awful murderers should be studied what if research found they had a common link could it be dealt with differently to avoid these dreadful occurances I saw a programme on psychopaths the other week and one chap who was in jail for some bad event it may have been murder was found to have had an injury to his head years back in the very place they were expecting to see a difference in brain activity of a psychopath so he wasn't necessarily ' born evil' but had acquired his pschopathic behaviour along the line probably through no fault of his own
It s NOT black and white they need locking up for the safety of society but research definitely needs to be done to find the reasons behind whatever drives them to this extreme behaviour because surely we all agree this isn't the action of someone with a normal conscience

His solicitor gave an interview on our local BBC news last night.
Quite frankly he made my skin crawl He didn't answer one question put to him in a straight forward manner. While not defending Brady he certainly never gave the impression of even slightly condemning him.

annsixty
Robin Makin (Brady's solicitor) is as bad as his father Rex...he'll do anything for his clients, if they pay him well enough!

The people who stand out on the TV are those who say like the lady whose fiance died in the atrocity at Westminster that she felt no hatred for the guy who did it. It helps no- one at all when these horrendous events engender such hatred and anger in response. Of course society has to be protected from murderers and of course it was right for Ian Brady to be locked up for the rest of his life . If the energy could be channelled into love to help the suffering and for the good of all, the world would be a better place. Even Ian Brady was that new born baby once held lovingly in the arms of his parent(s).

Every time I attend a school Christmas concert and hear the children's voices singing "Little Drummer Boy", I grow faint and sickened, thinking of Lesley Anne Downey. My heart breaks for the parents of those murdered children, as I am sure everyone else's here does. Yes, the world is a better place without Ian Brady whose crimes are beyond belief for all of us.

It is impossible for me to begin to understand what made him want to do the things he did and to understand how he lead Myra Hindley into participating. They are no more – and the world is a better place for that. Discussions about their metal health, madness – if you will – are for those professionals who study these matters. I am glad I am not one of them.

mental health, not metal health.

Bluebelle that is not how people with mental illnesses act, think or behave except when having a psychotic incident. At other times they are able to function on a level that knows right from wrong. Even during psychotic incidents many retain that ability. It's the cold-blooded planning, carrrying out and cover up which shows the difference between those acting under a delusional malfunction from those who know exactly what they are doing. It's the pleasure they get from torturing and killing that drives them to do it again.

Many people with severe, debilitating mental illnesses eventually kill themselves, because (in my experience) they know their illness and cannot bear to live with it any longer.

To say the public wanted them released so they could do the same to them brought to mind the two children being taken to court to stand trial for killing James Bulger. Adults, male and female, a braying mob, trying to reach two little boys . Righteous anger ?

Revenge is not justice