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NikkiW Mon 29-May-17 10:02:57

No matter who you are thinking of voting for on the 8th June, please watch this short clip on the Naylor report which the tories are backing.

So, in easy short words, Theresa May is not just in favour of selling off the NHS, she thinks the government should PAY people to TAKE IT AWAY. A BOGOF deal on hospitals, buy one get one free

We should be angry at the TEN BILLION POUNDS they are expecting to spend on the process of giving (sorry selling) the NHS to private companies, OVER AND ABOVE the BOGOF deal

The bottom line:
Trusts must sell their hospitals, or be deprived of public funding to keep them open. The government will throw away whatever money it takes to make the sales of assets more attractive, and Theresa May supports this idea.

Please share far and wide - we need to get this message out!…/The-Naylor-Review-…


rosesarered Mon 29-May-17 10:09:06

Just more Labour canvassing masquerading as a News Alert.

kittylester Mon 29-May-17 10:12:24

Could you please put that in short easy words for me, roses.

Luckygirl Mon 29-May-17 10:23:17

Perhaps you would be kind enough to post ;inks to those sites/reports etc. that cover the dangers that you have proposed are about to happen. The links you have posted do not help.

NikkiW Mon 29-May-17 10:32:13

Come again rosesarered? I won't deny I support Labour, but is that all you can do is to accuse me of masquerading when this is something we should all be aware of?

Sorry Luckygirl, what do you mean the links don't help? That's the info I'm sharing, 1. is a talk through what the government is supporting we do with the NHS and the other is the official link to the Naylor report?
Oh ok I just clicked on the bottom link and I see what you mean, it won't open properly I think it's because it's a PDF file so maybe this site hasn't allowed it to be fully viewed.

I'll try again,

ninathenana Mon 29-May-17 13:13:36

Our nearest hospital with A & E dept already belongs to Branson

whitewave Mon 29-May-17 13:25:34

I suppose that those on the right on GN support the privatisation of the NHS. I don't understand why they don't say so and give some well thought out factual reasons for supporting such a move.

Anniebach Mon 29-May-17 13:25:45

Thank you but The video clip was just May bashing and the second was by a PR company , not for me sorry.

I have no problem with May being critcised but that video link was not unbiased was it?

And who is the white house consultancy PR for?

whitewave Mon 29-May-17 13:31:01

annie May bashing is what Labour Party members do. My local MP - a Labour member and definately not a Corbyn supporter, although he seems OK with the manifesto, bashes May for a past time.

Was there any factual evidence in the report with which you disagreed?

MawBroon Mon 29-May-17 13:33:40

Should his not have been prefaced by
"Here is a party political communication on behalf of the Labour Party"?

M0nica Mon 29-May-17 13:41:25

I trust, in the name of political balance that GN will now arrange for the other main parties to post party promotional material.

I have actually reported this post.

durhamjen Mon 29-May-17 13:43:04

Anniebach Mon 29-May-17 13:47:00

Whitewave, I didn't read it, I want unbiased reports

durhamjen Mon 29-May-17 13:47:15

If you click on the infographic on the link I gave, it says that they want 20,000 homes built on NHS land by 2020.
That explains why they closed the only ward in my local hospital.
They'll be selling the hospital off.

Anniebach Mon 29-May-17 13:48:48

Who commissioned this PR Company?

durhamjen Mon 29-May-17 13:49:12

You really ought to read it properly.

Anniebach Mon 29-May-17 13:51:09

I am not reading links unless I know the source, honestly Jen after that bilge your posted about Corbyn and the NI peace process I have no wish to read more of the same .

durhamjen Mon 29-May-17 14:00:51

"It has been over a year since Sir Robert Naylor was appointed the NHS Property tsar and for the last six months those involved in NHS Property have been eagerly awaiting the outcome of his review. The review was finally published on 31 March. This is an interesting choice of publication date – not only was it the last day of the NHS financial year and therefore one of the busiest days for NHS disposals (we sold over £60m of NHS Property on 31st March acting on ten separate disposals for NHS clients) it also, very helpfully, sets the scene for the new NHS financial year.

A key question the review needed to address was how can the NHS Estate contribute to the delivery of STPs and the NHS 5 Year Forward View? Sir Robert does not disappoint in this regard and makes it very clear that:

the NHS Estate transformation "must follow the service strategies evolving through the STPs"; and
"without investment in the NHS estate the 5 Year Forward View cannot be delivered".

There are 17 recommendations across three key themes - improving capability and capacity; encouraging and incentivising local action and funding and national planning. Key highlights include:

£10bn is required for investing in the NHS estate and £5bn (at least) for backlog maintenance
Filling the funding gap via large scale disposal programme, private capital and Treasury funding.
The establishment of an NHS Property Board to provider overall strategic leadership across the NHS estate.
Incentives to unlock the barriers preventing NHS Providers from realising best value from their estate
Reaffirmation that the NHS estate can make a contribution to delivering 26,000 new homes
It supports the delivery of the Department of Health's target of releasing £2bn of assets (potentially rising to £5.7bn)
Calls for urgent action to accelerate the disposal of a large number of small scale and low risk sites

This is a well-informed report briefly setting out the extent of the issues and problems facing the NHS estate. Sir Robert clearly fully understands the issues and historic problems that have prevented an overall coherent strategy. He recognises that the ownership of the NHS estate is fragmented – this being one of the root causes of the lack of strategy – hence the need for the new NHS Property Board.

It was interesting to note Sir Robert considered the idea of bringing ownership of the estate under one organisation but such a change would be almost impossible to implement – a very sensible approach (Bevan Brittan were the lead legal adviser in 2013 in respect of the transfer of over 6000 properties from former PCTs to NHS Property Services, Community Health Partnerships and Acute and Foundation NHS Trusts – a significant undertaking involving only 10% of the NHS estate).

There is a passing reference that the new NHS Property Board is to consider if "the functions and residual assets it inherits from the abolition of PCT should be divested back to providers". If this recommendation was implemented this would result in NHS Property Services and Community Health Partnerships no longer owning assets and a reversal of the 2013 changes. This element of the review clearly needs further thought and consideration.

A large part of the review focuses on disposals being the key element of meeting the funding gap. Some parts of the NHS have already been very successful in this regard but due to the operation of an often siloed approach many Trusts lack the incentives to truly deliver on estate transformation – Sir Robert attempts to provide these incentives by the introduction of a 2 for 1 offer matching public funds with disposal receipts.

It is important Trusts do not wait for further detail of the 2 for 1 offer to materialise before embarking on a disposal programme. It takes time for investments to properly yield best value from disposals and adopt the "commercial approach" suggested in Sir Robert's review. Barriers are not all within the Trust's control – for example, will it be necessary to amend planning policy? – Planning processes have often been the cause of delay and difficulties in the implementation of a disposal programme.

In anticipation of the outcomes suggested in the report we have developed a disposals toolkit to help Trusts implement the recommendation in the review. Please visit this link to register an interest in obtaining this Toolkit.

If you would like to discuss the content of the review further and how we can help you with disposal of NHS property please contact one of specialist Property partners: Rob Harrison, James Atkins or Ian Caplan."

From a company called Bevan Brittan, who are supposedly lawyers working for the public sector.
Just in case any of you want to buy a hospital.

durhamjen Mon 29-May-17 14:05:17

If you don't mind the NHS being sold off, then aren't you better going on another thread where your comments will be more appreciated and your time better spent.

Thanks for your links, Nikki. I have passed them on to people on facebook who will appreciate them and pass them on. Not the one that doesn't work properly, obviously, but the others.

minesaprosecco Mon 29-May-17 17:33:36

NHS Estate? This is mind boggling. So hospitals, in the minds of those agreeing with this report, are solely of value for their property worth? Truly, we are living in a dystopia.

durhamjen Mon 29-May-17 17:39:21

That article I quoted in full shows how little we have been told about this robbery. THe youtube link at the top says it in simpler terms, asking the questions we should have been able to ask if we had known all about it.
Considering how many groups I belong to about saving the NHS, I feel really angry.

minesaprosecco Mon 29-May-17 17:49:24

No response as yet from Conservative supporters.

whitewave Mon 29-May-17 17:56:52

They agree with privatisation, but don't like to admit it.

Ana Mon 29-May-17 17:58:50

Do they? All of them?

How do you know that, whitewave?

whitewave Mon 29-May-17 18:00:15

I just do - it's my opinion - I'm not bothering with argument based on fact anymore as none of the right do.