Conservative voters don't look at this

As jane10 says, no system, however well-meaning, is perfect. I doubt if any gransnetter has fundamental political objections to improving the system whereby disabled people get the help they need. The differences lie in the opinions about how that should be achieved. There will be disagreements between the opinions that can be thrashed out in robust debate. Resentment is probably not useful.

Cherrytree, may I ask how long ago that was? Things that the NHS could cope with are very much suffering from the stress of underfunding and changing very quickly as people cannot hold each area of stress against another area of stress.

If you have even reasonable funding then you can hold one area of stress and then quickly jump to another but we do not even have that so an area has to be let go to deal with another. We are just hearing about the length of time people are waiting for elective surgery.

The people in the NHS are amazing; we have seen that only recently - but they cannot work against a government that has chosen - not had to - underfund them to the extent and for as long a period as this government has done.

Waiting list gone up by 180%!!!!!!!! For someone waiting more than 18 weeks.If this doesn't tell you about Tory policies towards the NHS nothing will.

Bags, correct me if I am wrong but I as far as I can see their are only two opinions on how the NHS should be funded.

One is a properly funded NHS that is free at the point of access. It is paid by all as an insurance.

The other model is to disable it and remove parts of it until those who can afford to are forced or chose to use private health care and those who can't have the charity version of our once great service.

Maybot has chickened out if Woman's hour and can't persuade Rudd to do it - at the moment it is a mystery who is to attend wonder who will end up being the patsy?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/30/disabled-readers-austerity-disability-cuts

Three in here. It's not just using one lady as a reason to say everyone is badly treated.
I hope there ARE more people treated well than badly.
The example of my husband not getting enough pads was in 2012, January.
I know a bit about disability as he was disabled for 15 years before he died.
I know how demeaning it is to be thought of as a scrounger because you have invisible disabilities, like if you are not using someone else as a crutch, you can fall over in the street, like if you have leg bags and they burst, wherever you are you have to find a toilet to sort yourself out, then get back home quickly to change.
Double incontinence isn't noticed unless something goes wrong.
Even double incontinence didn't mean you got enough pads.
After all, if you are in bed all the time, as he was for the last three weeks, how many pads do you need?

So sorry, you'll forgive me if I don't agree with you, Jane.
That woman in the OP is the tip of a very large iceberg. Thousands more like her. People who died because they are thought to be scroungers off the state.
Are you saying she should be hidden from view, so it doesn't upset our sensibilities.
She wanted to be videoed. She wanted her story known as did the others in the Guardian article. She wouldn't allow the person who took the video to help her, as that was her dignity.

Whitewave, I heard it was to be Justine Greening.

This is funny.

"Less than a week to go now, folks. The general election caravan moves to York tonight for the BBC Question Time special featuring Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn and David Dimbleby. It’s a Friday night and could get high ratings. Crucially, it has the potential (I put it no higher) to shift some floating and undecided voters, who tend to make up their minds in the last seven days. May is up first, so Jezza has been robbed of the comedy value of staging a ‘sit-in’ to challenge her to debate him face-to-face."

Such a shame. A sit-in would be brilliant. I suppose he could always gatecrash like Emily Thornberry did with Damian Green.

Demo planned against May as the venue has been leaked. How weird.
Why does the venue have to be leaked?
Aren't all QT programmes at places known to the audience?
It's at the University of York, Ron Cooke Hub, an obvious place for it to be, not down some seedy little back street or Tory club where she likes her meetings to take place.

I know some of us are political geeks abut if you can, do watch the whole of this mornings Labour presentation around modern industry and a high tech future that would transform the lives in the whole of the UK. The excitement around the policies Labour was laying out was palpable and the knowledge something I just haven't heard from other parties. Please watch it if you can.

Just switched on to 130, News 24, and someone said he was asked by the editor of the programme not to come down too heavily on the Tories. It's about the song Liar, Liar.
They are such liars.

This took a long time.

www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2017/jun/02/general-election-2017-immigration-target-david-davis-question-time-politics-live

Tory HQ standing by him, saying he is innocent of fraud in the last election. In which case, they did it, not him.

In the supermarket queue, the woman in front of me had the Mail, which had this headline
Corbyn's sly death tax trap: 1.2million more families' homes to be hit by Labour's plan to slash inheritance rate to £650,000

Labour will scrap Tory plans to raise the inheritance tax threshold to £1m by 2021
Instead, the party confirmed it would reduce it from £850,000 to just £650,000
Move would slash the amount the middle classes can pass on to their children
Now I always thought I was middle class. And my family & quite a few of my friends. But none of us have that sort of inheritance, even including our houses. Even my daughter, who lives in the South East, doesn't come near that.
We are all much more worried about the dementia tax.

I hope you told the woman in front of you that she shouldn't believe everything anything she reads in the Daily Mail

Don't all people who have that sort of money read the Financial Times?

Maragert Thatcher's flagship policy "Right to Buy" is costing the public purse millions of pounds as homes sold off very cheaply are being bought back by councils for ten times the price. Many others are in the hands of private landlords who charge high rents, subsidised by the taxpayer in the form of housing benefit.

I remember arguing with a Tory candidate in 1979, asking why the discounts were so big, and more importantly why the councils were not allowed to use the money to replace at least some of their social housing stock. He had no reply.

www.pbctoday.co.uk/news/planning-construction-news/right-to-buy-costing-millions/33435?utm_source=MailingList&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PBC+Newsletter

I agree with you there Varian I think it was done with the best intentions and many council house owners were so happy to have their own home, some intended to live there until they died and welcomed the thought of not having to pay rent when they were old, but others bought them then sold them at inflated prices and bought large houses in Devon ( we knew two couples who did this.)
Council housing sell offs were a mistake.

If May gets back in, it will be even worse.
After they have lived in social housing for ten or fifteen years, people will again have the right to buy. Again, no help to the housing stock.

lucky I think you will find that Labour plans to raise more money via a better tax system, that is aimed at those who have more, that tightens tax avoidance strategies and not just through increased borrowing.

May was in Derby last night. Supposedly not many people turned up because none of us knew she was coming. I, for one would have gladly gone to see her if I'd known.

She's not going to do any local radio either. Or Question time, the BBC promised it wouldn't embarrass her!

From Twitter
Jeremy Corbyn @jeremycorbyn

Tonight's the final "debate" of the #GE2017 campaign, but @Theresa_May & I will be on #BBCQT separately because she's refusing to take me on

'Labour’s election campaign is being boosted by fake social media accounts that pump out positive messages about Jeremy Corbyn thousands of times per day, The Daily Telegraph can reveal.

One in eight messages about British politics posted on Twitter are generated by automated accounts known as web robots or “bots”.'

These darn 'bots' get everywhere!

It's about time there was some balance. The Telegraph and all the other right-wing papers have been putting out lies and smears for ever. And I'm not a bot, nor are the loads of my friends telling it as it is

Don't you mean 'expressing their opinions'?

Fine, no one's accusing you or your friends of being bots.

"Expressing their opinions" is not the same thing as reporting the facts.

In their opinion.