London.....Incidents at London Bridge, Borough Market and Vauxhall.

Sorry that was an answer to GracesGran. Yes, good point Maisie.

Your first point that is, no Maisie not meant to be satirical at all, just having an opinion.

Well pardon me for thinking that a thread under 'Politics' might be political. I shall remember to ask your permission before I take such extreme step in the future.

Of course we couldn't expect someone with your views to actually start your own thread where you think fit could we.

an extreme

Yes apologies, I genuinely hadn't realised the thread had been started under the Politics thread Graces Gran, so my mistake!
That's what sitting up A&E for 5 hours today has done to me, It's pickled my brain lol. ?

My can be a problem even without sitting in A&E for that length of time - so no problem. I hope all is well now.

Thank you.

Perhaps News and Politics need to be separate items now on GN?? This would stop the inappropriate squabbling of both Politicians and GNetters who should know better

Or perhaps posters could have the sense to realise that NEWS and politics also includes news which is not narrowly party political?

Being sarcastic about it is unbecoming, GG. The perpetrator was not interested in the voting bias of the people he drove into.

I am with Monica "Good God, is there no thread on GN that cannot be taken over by petty electoral politics."

I'm away and when I can access the Internet, I've caught up with gransnet because of the attacks and forthcoming general election. The unpleasant, often personal jibes from some regular posters on politics and news threads are so dispiriting.

When I started this thread it was breaking NEWS!

It couldn't go anywhere else.

Anyone who wants to link the events to their own political agenda should start another thread.

Crisselda whatshername Met Chief said this morning that there are 10s of thousands of "individuals of interest" in the U.K.

NOT time to reduce police numbers, or resources.

How many minutes silence , how many candles lit? Not one terrorist as been stopped by a minutes silence, nor by a candle lit.

Minute's

NEWS also contains reports of many many areas of life which can be read and reacted to without any thought of politics - particularly the confrontational politics of an election week. This attack is one event where a united front against the horror of a random attack is needed, not yet another bitterly divisive rant.

It would be more appropriate to rein in the surges of adrenaline brought on by partisan campaigning and concentrate on deploring the effect that results from fanatics channelling THEIR adrenaline rush into wholesale slaughter.

I would have been more impressed if TM had simply said that she is unable to comment on what a Tory government might do due to the agreed embargo and that, should they win, they will be announcing their plans - it would have won her a few votes for her integrity.

I fear that these terrorist attacks are directly aimed at disrupting the election - that is very worrying.

It is a relief that the Manchester concert went off successfully.

I have to agree with Luckygirl to some extent. I feel that all TM needed to do was sum up the situation and make a comment about how we must not let these people win, etc., and how - as I imagine we were - we were all thinking about the injured and the families and friends of those caught up.

What she most certainly did not need to do, particularly having agreed with the other parties not to campaign, was use a No 10 speech to do exactly that only hours after the event. Once that had happened the politics was bound to rear its head elsewhere including on here.

If you start telling people what they can say and where they can say it, you are very likely to get some fairly acerbic replies. There will be those who feel that continuing with the democratic process of the campaign is exactly what we must do. I don't even think putting this in Chat would have stopped that. No one is 'right' or has 'a right' to tell others how to think and therefore what to post. It's a challenge and challenges us all - that's what these people intended and, by accusing others of creating threads in a way you would rather they did not you are playing into the hands of those who would sow seeds of dissent within our communities - including this one.

Well said, twice, Elegran, the perpetrators certainly didn't care a jot about the political bent of the victims, or about their race, religion, gender, age etc. London especially is so multicultural it is possible that all seven victims could have been Muslims anyway.

What the terrorists do dislike in our country is our democracy and of course that is inextricably linked to politics. I can therefore sort of see how we cannot discuss one event without introducing comments about the other.

Maybe GN should have a separate heading for Breaking News where initial shock, sympathy, rejoicing etc. could be limited to dicussion of the actual announcement of the event. Like when the Queen dies, we don't really want to start attacking the monarchy and consequently each others' views in the first few pages.

You could Lillie but it will still not stop people on GN moving, as the world moves, into the political.

We are a cross section of society, not your friends over for coffee. Well, to be honest, my friends over for coffee would undoubtable turn to the political as it would with my family. We are political in our outlook and you are telling me I am unwelcome if I am myself. Are you really surprised if that upsets people and makes them crosser than they might choose to be otherwise?

"You and your comments are unwelcome"
"Oh, OK then"

That is not going to happen. You would have to make Gransnet itself non-political so those who, occasionally or often, wanted to talk about politics knew they were not welcome - as you are yet again suggesting.

Initially news and politics were separate thread. It was HQ who joined them to make all news seem political.
I was surprised when they did that. You can see from the number of threads on the forum that it is the main interest for many people.

This is what 'enough is enough' should mean.

think-left.org/2017/06/05/enough-is-enough/

Thats interesting that they were once separate threads durhamjen. I hadn't realised they had been joined, (probably before my time), though as I said earlier I can sort of see why.
GGM2 I hope your comments weren't directed at me personally, "You and your comments are unwelcome" has never ever come from me!

It would be more appropriate to rein in the surges of adrenaline brought on by partisan campaigning and concentrate on deploring the effect that results from fanatics channelling THEIR adrenaline rush into wholesale slaughter.

So we're not allowed to deplore the fact that deep cuts to police & security services contribute to the ease with which the fanatics can fulfil their wish to slaughter? Or the fact that these fanatics are encouraged by extremist regimes to whom we sell arms?

elegran your post was as much a partisan and political statement as everyone else's.

Elegran, adrenaline rush, I think that sums things up much better than my use of - hysteria , I agree with your post.

Well said Elegran am sure this thread is not about narrow party politics at all, or shouldn't be, as there are plenty of political pages on the go!