Brexit negotiations starting tomoorow

You are a better person than me Maizie; I imagined she was

Why do we put education/learning/knowledge down so much in this country? Another thread perhaps.

No sarcasm, just amazed, why should someone think I was being other than very interested? Interpreting a message is what it is all about - why not take things at face value, instead of putting a bad connotation on it? I am amazed....
Well done for enjoying your retirement and being so interested in life and all its current problems.

Apologies, Struggling

I did take it at face value but there was a niggling doubt. It's very difficult to judge 'tone' in a forum post. (perhaps that's why there are so many little spats on these threads..)

Barnier made Davis look like a fool yesterday. Hammond's Mansion House speech this morning was hopefully the beginning of the end of Brexit and a return to common sense.

Carney announced that the UK is poorer because of Brexit.. we haven't even left yet!!!! Talk about suicide.

Hammond appears to have read the Labour manifesto on Brexit.

There's going to be Brexit, so pointless keep talking it down. It's happening, so we need the best deal we can, our fishermen will be able to fish where they want for one, and we can make our isn't decisions that affect our country and not faceless beurocrats in Brussels. We can hopefully, be friends with fellow Europeans and have a good trading policy, it's just all down to negotiation.

If only it were that simple Luckyegs!

lucky where on earth did you read all that?

DD has completely fallen in with the EU timetable then. What a total idiot he is and a complete embarrassment.

I suspect it's in the fairytale section of the local library.

No lucklegs our fishermen won't be able to fish where they want, especially if they want to leave any fish in the sea for future generations. They couldn't before the UK joined the EU and they won't in the future.

Faceless bureaucrats don't make the UK's decisions. In fact, bureaucrats don't make any decisions. Elected representatives do that. Since joining the EU, the UK has been one of the most powerful countries.

There's no reason why anybody can't be "friendly" with other Europeans, but there is no way in a million years that the UK will have a trade deal as good as it now has.

There can't be a "good Brexit" for the UK. At least Davis is old enough to claim his pension when he is booted out - and it's just a question of time.

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Over 100,000 signatures in a day asking May to agree that no deal means no Brexit. France and Germany have agreed that we can change our minds.

Why not fall in with the EU timetable.....there would have been derisory comments I imagine if he had refused to from people, and the whole negotiation( any negotiation) is give and take.

Haven't you been reading what Dopey Davis has been saying throughout the autumn rose?

There was posturing going on from all sides.Now the actual negotiations begin!

I see that many Labour MPs have signed a letter supporting JC saying that the UK must stay in the single market or risk losing hundreds of thousands of jobs.

I think Hammond and Carney would agree as well

Autumn? Blimey that was ages ago...

rose there is posturing and plain stupidity. Dopey Davis falls under the latter.

To be fair to Davis, he had no choice. There are 27 remaining EU members and they will set the agenda and most of the conditions. As Barnier has quite clearly stated, it's the UK which chose to leave. Nobody has forced us. The EU will continue. Macron and Merkel have indicated that they would be keen on reform, so it's ironic that the UK will have no voice at a time when the EU is improving. Even if Merkel isn't Chancellor after the German elections, she will be replaced by Schulz, who is even more pro-EU.

Ireland and Gibraltar are going to remain problems, to which there is no solution. May's days as PM are limited and the Brexiteers are digging a hole for themselves so big that hopefully they'll disappear before too long.

Hammond made it very clear this morning that he will prioritise the economy, so all those people who hoped for lower immigration and "taking back control" are going to be disappointed. It will get to the point when people will seriously ask "What's the point?", especially as there are 750,000 new, younger voters every year, most of whom support remaining. It's just a question of deciding when such a decision is politically acceptable.

rosesared I would seriously advise you to read European newspapers (they're available in translation) to find out what "the other side" has been claiming. It's significantly different from the impression some of the British media has been trying to give. It's the British who have been doing most of the posturing, because they're in a very weal position.

Didn't Davis say that there'd be an 'almighty row' if the EU wouldn't agree to negotiating a trade agreement alongside the other items?

But that went by the board on Day 1. That's not negotiation, it's capitulation..

Exactly so maizie

It isn't going very well is it?

We are going to have to be rescued by the EU negotiators at this rate.

Nothing like Davis, but you get the message.

Vince Cable: May must listen to Hammond's Brexit warnings instead of locking him in a cupboard again

I would actually like the LP and LDs to talk nicely to one another - they have a lot in common.