Aimed at the Wrong People?

Eloethan

So the main issue you have with my post is the fact I made a comment 'It's akin to fly tipping ' but you say it's not because it was on private land. Fair enough.

Or am I mistaken?

Jalima

Your welcome.

When fly tipping takes place, it is random - it can be left in the road, on someone's driveway, on a river bank, in an area of outstanding natural beauty, etc. etc. The authorities firstly have to be alerted to the fact that it is there and then have to arrange for one or two people to take a truck to collect it. That probably means that this rubbish is as blot on the landscape for some time before it is retrieved. It also means that there is ongoing and continuous effort and money expended in picking up rubbish from a variety of far flung locations.

At a festival, the rubbish - tents, duvets, whatever - is confined to a given area and its presence has been anticipated and catered for. The person that owns the land has already incorporated the cost of the clear up in the price of the ticket. Whether people should be encouraged to be irresponsible in not disposing of their rubbish properly because it reinforces the idea that there are people out there whose sole purpose in life is to clean up after you, is a different argument.

I wonder if this issue would have been brought up at all had it not been for the fact that Corbyn visited Glastonbury and therefore made it incumbent on some people to find fault with this particular festival which is probably no different from any other festival.

eleothan Exactly - this thread developed into an attack on Glastonbury because Jeremy Corbyn had been there, and anything associated with him must be awful per se. The logic defies belief -
JC goes to Glastonbury
Glastonbury is expensive.
Therefore everyone there is well heeled and therefore cannot possibly be interested in JCs message as well off people can't believe in social equality. ( for that read : communism)
They are also litter louts and don't wash
The music is terrible
And they are all too young/ old/stupid
Ridiculous.

Good summary suzied I hope that by putting it like that those guilty will be able to see themselves more clearly. False hope?

My disgust at the rubbish at Glastonbury, any festival or anywhere is nothing to do with JC or politics.I genuinely feel revulsion -yep that's a strong word -at litter of any kind.Sadly I know all too well about fly tipping.I currently am waiting to hear wether our council has secured a prosecution for the obscene amount tipped up a beautiful track that I came across,and found documents in.And as I work outdoors, driving around quieter areas feel utterly depressed how endemic this problem,along with the attitude it's OK to jettison stuff out of a car window.To me one plastic bottle,a pile of fly tipping,leaving your c**p at Glastonbury it's all the same mindset.Someone else will clear it up.As a previous poster pointed out that's a lot less money for the organisers to donate to worthy causes.Just as it's a lot less money for councils to spend on other essential services.Of course festival organisers would still have to do some cleaning and checking ,but on this scale.Come on ?!I'd like to see a complete revolution in this country where the young generations bring up their children to respect that if we are lucky enough to live in a country with an infrastructure for disposing of rubbish that what we do.Always.Wether at a festival, on the streets or out in the countryside.

Nanny McPhue, I don't get in a rage. If by some unhappy circumstance Corbyn was in no. 10, that too would pass, like last time he would get into terrible debt, but eventually when the money is gone, he would be voted out, like Blair was and the same unhappy cycle some ensue. Just a matter of waiting it out. Like wars, some people don't take heed of past mistakes. Lots I don't agree with Conservatives about, this last ekection girls start and the draconian measures, now dumped, but infinitely better than fairylCorbynland.

Yes fly tipping is terrible. All governments seem to drown in debt including this one which has increased it. How many strands has this thread got?

Who said you get in a rage? Not I surely.

Good point suzied I'm guessing luckylegs9 doesn't know we're more in debt than ever.

Selective memory more likely.

Perhaps she really doesn't know. Not everybody does. It wasn't brought up in the run up to the election, so I'd not be surprised if lucklegs9 genuinely thinks this government has a better record on the economy. It's certainly how they sell themselves.

I think the backlash is because people are now starting to realise that all these austerity measures have not reduced the debt,

Then Why did Corbyn make a speech ,Suzied? He didnt need to, wolf in sheeps clothing me thinks!

Don't you believe in free speech then norose4 ?

Nothing is ever free, there is always a price to pay in one form or another

well in T in the Park they send giant dump lorries and good stuff to charity . passed the area amd never seen anything like.. Acres.

Stop spouting silly clichés norose4. I asked about free speech.

The price for free speech is surely having to be tolerant of other people's free speech, just as the price of every right is an equal and opposite responsibility.

It is what I believe Nanny, there is always a price to pay JC chose to use his freedom of speech to make a speech , he faces criticism because of that, that's the price & gamble he choose to make I call it cynical manipulation clever, but cynical & devious not traits I admire

Well you're entitled to free speech too norose4 - pity you don't extend that right to those you disagree with.

Ummm not being rude Nanny, but I think you have missed the point,.thats exactly what I am saying ,the fact that I find it devious is not the point

Plus in the unlikely event that Theresa May had done the same thing one can only imagine the derision & vitriol that would have come her way, would have been quite a spectacle though?

Be as rude as you like norose4 you are obviously as unable to follow my thought processes as you are to punctuate correctly. But I don't hold that against you.

Nanny I tried not to reply, but I just will point out that there is only one person being rude & it is not me. You have your point of view ,it is not the same as mine .that is what this site (I spelt that correctly I think) is supposed to be about .

Whatever!