Aimed at the Wrong People?

Quite a few atheists here have found a god, they praise him daily, believe he can change the world, is a peace maker.

It has been said for many a year by psychologists that there is a need within everyone to have a faith in a higher being, if some cannot accept there is a God they will find someone/something to fill this need

Veganism does a lot of good in the world, roses, as much as, if not more than, the Sally Army.

Annie what evidence do you have that "Those who show the most ostentatious display of piety have always been atheists" ???

It isn't said now Annie. Most now believe that the belief in god serves a purpose in humans but that other things can do this just as well, Things like fulfilling your potential, moral goodness and questioning everything. That believing in god is one way of connecting with others and the world but there are others.

roses it is a sad aspect of the times that the topic of brexit, and all its likely consequences seems inescapable. It affects every aspect of our lives.

I have been very struck by the cult-like religious fervour of so many angry brexiters, epitomised by a woman in audience of this week's Question Time who shouted that Britain used to be a great country, we did fine on our own, but since we joined with that lot everything's been dreadful, dreadful (or words to that effect) She was red in the face and looked as if she would explode.

There seem to be quite a lot of people like that, and I certainly don't mean everyone who voted to leave, but I think a daily diet of hate from the downmarket rightwing press and shock jocks like Katie Hopkins have fed this unquestioning blind faith. There is no reasoning with these people, they are only listening to echo-chamber soundbites and cliches.

To return to the subject of Corbyn, I think it is fear of a backlash from these people that has steered him towards a hard brexit. Rationality has gone out of the window and the party whips in both Labour and Tory parties ensure that those MPs who disagree with that stance are kept in their place, like the three front benchers who were sacked today.

I really don't think so dj ! ( that veganism has done as much good as The Salvation Army.)

I think you are wrong in assuming from a few people on tv that everybody who is keen on Brexit is the same varian nor do I think it is anything to do with fear of a backlash that Corbyn accepts we are out of the single market ( we have to be.)
Corbyn is not a friend to the EU and never has been.

roses I was careful to say I did not think everyone who voted to leave was like that but that vocal minority of angry brexiters, and the journalists who encourage them, are the ones who seem to make quite a lot of politicians tremble and cower, including TM and JC.

Veganism reduces greenhouse gases by 70%.
Is that not good, roses?

I think that both TM and JC ( both Remainers) are trying to accept and act on the majority vote at the referendum on the EU.They feel it is their duty to act on it, even if not 100% convinced personally that it is the right course of action.In fact I think JC is keener on it than TM.They are following a democratic vote which was voted on by all sides in Parliament to go ahead and act on the public vote.

varian, my opinion on some atheists, just as others give their opinion on Christians

Not as good dj as the help given to needy people over the years by the SA.

Really, roses? You'll be telling me you don't believe in climate change next.

Off out, to buy some vegan cheese and sausages.

Eh? Corbyn has always been anti-EU. Up to now, he has generally fudged the issue. It's a crossroads for Labour, because they need to decide whether they want to keep the younger, generally pro-EU voters, who are feeling let down, or the older, traditional voters, who are generally pro-Brexit.

It's a real problem, because over 70% of Labour voters supported Remain (possibly more since so many younger people registered), but 70% of Labour MPs are in Leave constituencies.

I know some Labour Party supporters claim he's playing the long game, but time is running out.

dd.... I meant that JC was keener than TMay on going ahead with a harder Brexit.

But you claimed he was a Remainer. If I remember correctly, Corbyn very grudgingly supported Remain - 75% (or thereabouts). Before then, he had always expressed Europhobic opinions, in line with old style Labour views, which saw the EU as a supranational, capitalist conspiracy.

If Corbyn genuinely accepted the views of Labour voters, he would make the case for staying in the EU or, at least, negotiating a Norwegian-style agreement.

Both Corbyn and May have been spooked by UKIP. The party itself has disintegrated, but the supporters haven't gone away. Make no mistake, this is all to do with party politics, rather than any concern for democracy or the "will of the people".

" Make no mistake, this is all to do with party politics, rather than any concern for democracy or the "will of the people".

Yep, ever since the Referendum took place.

A recent documentary about unmarried mothers between 1950-1980 gave women the opportunity to recount how they were forced to give up their babies for adoption. Some of the accounts reflected religions' prominent role in stigmatising these women and treating them harshly.

One of the young mothers, Alison, said staff at a Salvation Army maternity home constantly told her she had “sinned”

Other religious groups including the Church of England and the Catholic Church were cited as behaving similarly.

Their stories saw an apology issued by the Catholic Church

Or what about this 2016 article from Pink News:

"The UK’s Salvation Army chief has admitted the organisation still bans gay people from serving as members.

"The international Christian organisation has long come under criticism for its approach to LGBT people – with internal policies actively banning gay people from serving as officers, unless they remain celibate."

Similar, and much worse, prejudice and discrimination is practised by many religions throughout the world, and women are almost universally seen as inferior and treated accordingly.

So far as the Christian churches are concerned, it seems to me that these sorts of views bear little relationship to the sort of values that Jesus seemed to demonstrate during his lifetime. I appreciate that there are people of all faiths who stand up against bigotry and discrimination and who carry out charitable works - but I am talking about organised religions - which are invariably male-dominated - rather than individuals.

Those who show the most ostentatious display of piety have always been atheists.

NEW COMPETITION. Can anyone make a more 'holier than thou' comment than this one.

Unbelievable for someone who calls themselves a Christian. As we know the Bible can be used to justify unspeakable evil but in this case just being a Christian is used to justify unspeakable pompousness.

I wish I could say your post was of interest GG, but I don't tell lies

Let us not forget the mothers who gave birth in those mother and baby homes were there because their parents either placed them there or their parents refused to have their pregnant daughter in their home and she had nowhere to live , st least those homes gave pregnant girls shelter

I don't know what it is about organised religion and women. I can't help feeling it's actually more about fear than loathing - after all we are the bearers of new life. So better to make sure they keep us subjugated. It veers from one extreme (virgin Mary, epitome of good) to the other.

GracesGran, I have been racking my brain for an example of an ostentatious display of piety by atheists and have come to the conclusion that I have no idea what it means.
Atheists cannot be pious, can they?

devongirl, I don't think its anything to do with fear it is more that any holy book, the Bible, Koran or any other, was written by men, interpreting what they thought was God's will but based on the prejudices of their time.

The God I believe in loves everyone, male, female, gay, straight, black, white and any colour in between. He doesn't care whether you describe yourself as gender fluid or non gender. He loves us all completely and without reservation.