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Anniebach Fri 07-Jul-17 10:28:05

Luciana Berger who is chair of the Jewish Labour Movement was re-elected in Liverpool with a majority of nearly 33,000

Momentum activists took nine of ten positions in the LP, one new official has said Berger is now answerable to us!

I thought an MP was answerable to her constituency

Anniebach Sat 08-Jul-17 09:12:43

Good for him, praising a servant employed by his parents,

Anniebach Sat 08-Jul-17 09:13:39

But let's get back to momentum , stay in topic ?

durhamjen Sat 08-Jul-17 09:14:01

"In one, Miss Crook, who once famously campaigned with Mr Rees Mogg in his mother’s Mercedes, is seen at the centre of the family group holding the newborn."

In today's Mail on Line.

I think you have some correcting to do, Sunseeker.

durhamjen Sat 08-Jul-17 09:18:39

"This is because he brought his faithful nanny along with him as he battled to be a elected in the working class and staunchly Labour seat of Central Fife."

The Sun, yesterday.
You are going to be busy correcting all these right wing newspapers, although you could just contact Murdoch and get it put right. I know he doesn't own the Telegraph but I bet he is best friends with the owners.

Elegran Sat 08-Jul-17 09:19:05

Monica You will just confuse people with your link to a fact about Rees-Mogg and his MiL's ancestral home, though I couldn't read the details without subscribing. You should know by now that the monopoly on "true fact" sites was taken up by A N Other long ago, and anything posted by anyone else is suspect.

The house has changed hands several times since RM's mother-in-law's father died in 1948.

From wikipedia -
" . . . from 1949 to 1979, the house was home to the Lady Mabel College of Physical Education, which trained female physical education teachers. The college later merged with Sheffield City Polytechnic (now Sheffield Hallam University), which eventually gave up the lease in 1988 due to high maintenance costs.

By 1989, Wentworth Woodhouse was in a poor state of repair. With the polytechnic no longer a tenant, and with the family no longer requiring the house, the family trustees decided to sell it and the 70 acres (280,000 m2) surrounding it, but retained the Wentworth Estate's 15,000 acres (61 km2) of land. The house was bought by locally born businessman Wensley Grosvenor Haydon-Baillie, who started a programme of restoration. However a business failure caused it to be repossessed by a Swiss bank and put back on the market in 1998. Clifford Newbold (July 1926 – April 2015), an architect from Highgate, bought it for something over £1.5 million. Newbold progressed with a defined programme of renovation/restoration as evidenced in Country Life magazine dated 17 and 24 February 2010. The surrounding parkland is owned by the Wentworth Estates.

In 2014, the house was informally offered for sale by Newbold, with no price specified, but a figure of around £7 million was thought to be sought according to The Times. The house was reported to need works of around £40 million. Following the death of Mr. Newbold, the house was formally advertised for sale in May 2015 via Savills with an asking price of £8 million. In March 2017, the house was sold to the Wentworth Woodhouse Preservation Trust for £7 million after a sale to the Hong Kong-based Lake House Group fell through.

Rees-Mogg's mother-in-law is a trustee of the Wentworth Woodhouse Preservation Trust, which raised £7million to acquire the house.

durhamjen Sat 08-Jul-17 09:20:24

' Did he really take his nanny campaigning with him in Fife?

“Yes of course I did!” he said. “I am very proud of nanny. She has worked for my family for 49-years, that’s not bad going. She is part of the family. Almost all my family came.” '

Huffpost.
You get the idea.

sunseeker Sat 08-Jul-17 09:36:39

She may have campaigned FOR him but the inference was that he had taken her with him. The Labour candidate who started the rumour (who seems to have sunk without a trace) admitted it was something he had made up.

So, as Anniebach says lets get back to Momentum. Their intentions are:

Redistributes wealth and power from the few to the many;

Does this include the leaders of various unions who "earn" more in a week than most of their members earn in a month.

Puts people and planet before profit and narrow corporate interests;

Very laudable but doesn't give any idea of how they intend to do this

Builds a society free from all types of discrimination;

Unless of course you disagree with their ideology in which case you will be hounded out of the job you were elected to do by your constituents

Invests to create high-quality jobs and infrastructure;

Where is the money coming from to do this? "Tax the rich" is the usual mantra. I believe France tried that and all "the rich" left the country and there was no-one to tax

Reverses the privatisation of railways, the energy sector and public services;

Again where is the money coming from to do this or do they plan to take it over without compensating the shareholders - most of which are pension companies which pay the pensions of retired workers.

Provides protection at work and strong collective bargaining to end workplace injustices;

Are there not protections already in place

Provides decent homes for all in both the public and private sector.

Again very laudable however how will this be paid for.

Anniebach Sat 08-Jul-17 09:43:00

So much envy, horrible.

Good post sunseeker, when we have a Momentun government they are going to borrow billions

durhamjen Sat 08-Jul-17 10:10:43

Sunseeker, read the Huffpost again.

Did he really TAKE his nanny campaigning with him?

Rees-Mogg.
"Yes, of course I did!"

Can't be plainer.
Tying yourself up in knots there.

Who is envious, Annie?
That's just laughable.

sunseeker Sat 08-Jul-17 10:13:16

So dj your only reply to my post was to comment on whether a man took someone campaigning with him.

durhamjen Sat 08-Jul-17 10:20:28

Well, of course, Sunseeker. You were wrong, and won't admit it.
Moggmentum did TAKE her.
He had to take her with him, as they live a long way from Fife, which is where they were campaigning.
Lucky Fife. Sorry, Somerset.

Jane10 Sat 08-Jul-17 10:20:32

dj 'laughable' or not that's how Momentum and its apparent aims appear to many people. If you are determined to force their opinions on others you/they really need to do some work on the psychology of the average person. Currently, Momentum feels like a bunch of bullies. Surely not how they see themselves. Burns had it right 'oh wad the Lord the giftae gie us tae see oorsels as ithers see us.'

durhamjen Sat 08-Jul-17 10:24:05

I am not forcing Momentum's opinions on anyone. I am not a member, know nothing about them, have never been to a Momentum meeting, but those who seem to know the most have never been to a meeting, either.
The one person who has on here gets told she has no idea what she is talking about, so why should I discuss Momentum. It's all hearsay, except for that one post.

durhamjen Sat 08-Jul-17 10:26:36

Can you tell me, Jane10, where Labour people are shown to be envious?
That's what was laughable.

Jane10 Sat 08-Jul-17 10:28:04

You were the one who said it was laughable

sunseeker Sat 08-Jul-17 10:30:48

And still dj you don't comment on the rest of my post. Well I am off now, have a busy day ahead.

durhamjen Sat 08-Jul-17 10:34:04

Yes, Jane10, it's laughable that Labour members are envious of Moggmentum.

Baggs Sat 08-Jul-17 10:36:33

Rees-Mogg's nanny is a person in her own right. Maybe she wanted to go campaigning with him. Maybe she asked to go. Why are people talking as if she were just an adjunct of a grown-up child she helped raise? Listen to yourselves and be ashamed!

Spot on, petra and sunseeker.

Cindersdad Sat 08-Jul-17 10:48:27

Ress-Mogg, Liam Fox, IDS and Boris are some of the many reasons I could never vote Tory.
With Momentum and JC in charge of Labour they are ruled out too.

The only leaves the Lib Dems and Greens so what chance do I have of ever having a vote that counts. Unless of course we get PR which seems unlikely.

Eloethan Sat 08-Jul-17 10:51:16

Why is it portrayed as "closing down discussion" for people to respond to comments with which they disagree? Was this thread started just for people to give a sort of roll call of hatred of Momentum?

I didn't say "I went to a meeting, and found them [Momentum] all lovely". I said they were not as described in the right wing tabloid press. For example the majority were older people. It seems there are so many experts who know how terrible Momentum is who don't know any Momentum people and have never attended any of their meetings - not surprisingly because many making these statements are proud Conservatives.

As Rees Mogg has been suggested as a successor to May, I think it is perfectly in order to examine his voting record in relation to his own background and lifestyle. Let's face it, some of the posters on here who are outraged at this supposed intrusion have spent many happy hours doing exactly the same in relation to Corbyn.

durhamjen Sat 08-Jul-17 10:51:21

Why should I be ashamed, Baggs, for repeating what Rees-Mogg himself said?
Listen to yourself. It's laughable.

whitewave Sat 08-Jul-17 10:54:14

Taking ones nanny campaigning- you must admit is highly unusual, a tad derisory and certainly worthy of comment.

And I am certainly not ashamed to say so - loud and proud that's me!!

whitewave Sat 08-Jul-17 10:56:22

Momentum "appears" as they do to many people because they be
If what they read in the gutter press and right wing media.

Fake news some of us would call it.

durhamjen Sat 08-Jul-17 10:57:13

I think, Baggs, if you read the article in the Telegraph, you will find she IS just an adjunct of the man she helped raise.
Just google Jacob Rees-Mogg's Nanny. It'll appear as if by magic.

Crafting Sat 08-Jul-17 11:39:12

I think she is a much loved and very important part of his family. Rather than mocking him for taking his nanny canvassing with him I think it shows that she loves and supports him too.