Momentum are getting stronger

craft you wouldn't want th hear what some Tories say about him, and I can't repeat as too rude.

What a great read this thread has been really enjoying it thats all nothing to add

"Was this thread started just for people to give a sort of roll call of hatred of Momentum?"

I think that is exactly what it was started for

WhiteWave
I've heard exactly the same 'rumours' about some labour MPs.
But unlike you, I don't mention names.

Currently, Momentum feels like a bunch of bullies.

Why do they feel like this to you Jane. Have you met them, been to their meetings, interacted with them? Or are you just relying on what the right wing press tell you. Not that they would put forward a biased view, of course .

You actually seem to have no facts to stand your opinion on and we all know that an opinion without facts is a prejudice. Perhaps you can't see it.

There is a difference between an open Momentum meeting and a Momentum training day.

It was at a training day a trainer was filmed saying she didn't know what anti-semitism was, she was suspending from the party, she then became the organiser for Corbyns public appearances

I try not to listen to rumours ww as you never really know who's behind them and what their adgenda is. To be honest, I'm not sure I would trust any politician from any party really. From what I have seen and read about him, I quite like him. Not saying he should be PM just not sure why his Nanny going campaigning with him should be a problem.

Anniebach, whatever the rights or wrongs of Jackie Walker's (who incidentally is Jewish) comments about anti-semitism, they took place at a Labour Party training day and not a momentum training day. She was suspended from the party and stripped of her position as vice chair of momentum. She had since been readmitted to the party. I'm sure you know all this but of course you prefer to use the facts to have yet another go at Corbyn and momentum. 'Momentum training day' sounds so very sinister doesn't it?

not sure why his Nanny going campaigning with him should be a problem.

Yes, crafting, quite. It isn't a problem. People bring up things like this just to be sneery and then when the sneeriness towards JRM or his nanny is challenged they sneer again. It's what they do best.

It's what they do best.

Not above getting a little sneer in yourself, then, Baggs?

bags doesn't like to personalise things maize she prefers to debate in the abstract

"Was this thread started just for people to give a sort of roll call of hatred of Momentum?"
I am absolutely sure it was. When I see the bile and venom in some of the lies put forward in this thread there is a bit of me that thinks this type of verbal incontinence and weirdly slewed opinion will bring forth the very type of organisation they describe simply as a a counter-balance to the views they express.

The rottenness of the right has always had the pomander of money, self-satisfaction and privilege to cover its tracks but I can see that camouflage being torn away - and not a moment too soon either.

But does no-one ever, ever, say anything nasty or snipy about any other parties?

Pots? Kettles?

"Lies put forward in this thread" It is, of course, unacceptable to call someone by name a liar.

I can smell a bubbling cauldron again

Tell me about it elegran

Here we go again...

At least those of us who consider themselves to be left wing and who support Labour are happy to disclose our political allegiances.

I think a very few people on Gransnet post comments and links on the grounds that they are simply raising an issue as a matter of interest and have no particular view on it. It is interesting, though, that the links they post and comments they make invariably reflect (sometimes quite subtly) right wing ideology.

If you have 20 minutes to spare, I can recommend this Ted talk. I watched it this morning and found it quite interesting.

www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind

Not just smell it Anniebach you lit the fire added the ingredients and gave it a good stir.
It is really pathetic, a bunch of people moaning about a group within the Labour Party who have left wing views, support working people and unions (Horrors!!!) believe the party has been dragged too far to the right (How dare they!!) may be young people (what do they know??!!!) and want all MPs and in particular cabinet and front benchers to support the party leader (Unreasonable isn't it!!!)
I wonder how those people feel about the 1% limit on public service pay, zero hours contracts with no guarantee of work, and people living in B&B accommodation because there are no council houses? Not to mention huge waiting lists for NHS treatment and people dying because of disability benefit cuts? Because believe me if a left wing Labour gov had been in power none of these things would have happened. So let's stop blaming Momentum and start looking at the real baddies in this story.

trish

I think it is unreasonable to demand support for the Labour Party leader if one doesn't think he's a good leader. It has been very clear over the past year or so that a large proportion of Labour MPs feel that way. Surely it is better for them to say what they think rather than dissimulate?

Also, a demand for support from Jeremy is just a tiny bit rich given how little he supported Labour Leaders and much Labour policy throughout his parliamentary career. He voted against his Party/Leader a lot, which he's perfectly entitled to do. But then so are other Labour MPs now.

One can be a Labour supporter, and many people are, without much liking Momentum.

All of the above has been said mildly and non-antagonistically. Some of you may not believe that but it's true nonetheless.

Off to listen to Haidt.

Five minutes in. It's really good. Thanks, primrose.

Back benchers of all parties are traditionally outspoken and vote with their own views Baggs Front benchers and cabinet support the leader. There has been some disagreement in Labour and a line needed drawing to show this wasn't acceptable. In fact no one has been deselected by Momentum although from some of the posts on here you would imagine they had.
Where is the antagonism? I simply pointed out that right wing policies had resulted in things many people dislike. The fact that it's true may irritate but that can't be helped.