What should be done about Public Sector pay?

Oh Mazie why not just leave it ?

Maybe Primrose was using the average wages of all public sector workers which we all know can distort the real picture.

I probably will, gillybob

But...

Now now no buts....

. I get in to trouble with DH for saying "but" at the end of sentences .. as in ...

Would you like a sandwich but
Or
That was a really good film but

I did not post "it supports my view that public sector workers are overpaid."
No idea why you're posting that Maizie. I think you might be confused. I've checked all my posts on this thread, and it's not there.

"If there's any truth in those figures and a more 'common income' for full-time work is £12,872 (and I cannot sort of believe that) it supports my view that public sector workers are overpaid."

Did you miss this, Primrose?

I wish we had a body we could go to and ask questions about what is the mean/average, median, etc. for the bottom 90% compared to the same calculation when the top 10% are added back in.

Usually - and I am sure it would be in this case - I would be told I hadn't asked the right question, but that's OK, I just wish I could ask and expert.

Primrose you also said Those working in the public sector probably do deserve a pay cut then. You may have meant something different to how that looks in the context of what you had already said though so I suppose what is important is do you or don't you believe that their pay should be cut? Then we can chat knowing where we are each coming from.

I think different answers come from those who have a scarcity mind-set and those who have an abundance one.

OFGS does it matter ?

Because misreading and confusion don't help any more than swearing does?

If there is any truth in these figures and a more 'common income' is half the one we are being currently told (and I can sort of believe that) it would put our views of how people are managing in a very different light.
If there's any truth in those figures and a more 'common income' for full-time work is £12,872 (and I cannot sort of believe that) it supports my view that public sector workers are overpaid.

That's how I got to that point.

That's what makes me think those numbers are wrong.

And I'm not posting about this ever again.

Who's swearing GG ?

Dogs with rabbits comes to mind

But you denied you said it. You said you'd looked through the whole thread and couldn't see where you'd said it!

From well paid teachers, obviously overpaid.

www.theguardian.com/education/2017/may/23/homeless-teachers-ashamed-housing-crisis-professionals

fullfact.org/economy/have-wages-fallen-past-ten-years/

This might help, GracesGran.
Haven't been through the whole of Fullfact, but if you search for average, median or mean you will get lots of links. I just wish they would put them in date order.

fullfact.org/economy/how-have-wages-changed/

Another interesting comparison.

I hoped full fact would know Jen but, though that shows the drop in wages ever since the Global Crisis - with a little uptick since 2014, it doesn't show this critical bit about whether the pay figures we use are distorted by the top 10%. I have emailed Full Fact to ask but I don't really expect they have time to work it out.

They have jobs going if you know anyone who wants one in London. They are incredibly busy at the moment.

Did you read the whole of the article that the Voxpolitical article was based on?

www.globalresearch.ca/the-truth-about-poverty-in-britain-is-much-worse-than-you-think/5502783

By the way, going on from the OP, taxresearch has an article about the fact that we can afford all the public services we need; it's just the economic model that prevents it.

There's also another one that says that the average worker at PWC is paid twice what the average HMRC employee is paid.
What's that about public workers being paid more than private?

fullfact.org/economy/wealth-uk-richest-1-and-poorest-20/

Wonder how many do read voxpox

I was talking to GracesGran.

You didn't look hard enough, Primrose. Here it is, copied and pasted, check the time:

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Primrose65 Sat 22-Jul-17 14:17:58
gg you can check the proportions of public sector workers yourself on the IFS report - it is small.
The base number was from full-time work - that's how the ONS report it.
Here's the original article
truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/truth-poverty-britain-much-worse-think/
Here's the link to the infographic they took the number from
www.equalitytrust.org.uk/sites/default/files/Income%20Inequality%20UK.pdf

If there's any truth in those figures and a more 'common income' for full-time work is £12,872 (and I cannot sort of believe that) it supports my view that public sector workers are overpaid.

That's how I got to that point.

That's what makes me think those numbers are wrong.

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I think you're just playing games..

Something weird going on here, ladies..

And apologies to nearly everyone for not reading all the new posts before responding to Primroses