What should be done about Public Sector pay?

You mean you haven't read all those posts by primrose saying she didn't say that, Maizie?

I like to look at life in simple terms. The population in the uk in 2008 was 61mil.
Now it's 65mil+ .
In the jobs market it's surply and demand, or am I missing something?
Most of the posters on the political threads are in favour of an open door policy on immigration, the figures ( on wages) and the increase in population show that you can't have it both ways.

I read that one, dj, I just didn't read much further before responding. Then I discovered that she had found it and reposted it. Still with no clarification of why she said it (and denied saying it).

There's a rabbit away somewhere...

petra I don't understand your post - irrespective of views on immigration, is it not the case the increased population = increased demand = increased need to supply, therefore more jobs? Why does that result in lower wages?

In simple terms, Petra, if you have an increased population and low unemployment (so an increase in people earning) then there will be an increase in demand for services and consumer goods which means higher sales and increased profits.

Even an increase in public sector spending to provide health, education, police services etc to the increased population will have the same effect. The money spent on public services doesn't just disappear into a black hole, it goes on infrastructure, resources etc. All of which are provided by private enterprise and are a source of profit (and tax). Not to mention the spending of their wages by the public sector workers.

Of course, the fly in the ointment is the fact that the biggest companies that profit from all this increased spending like to squirrel away as much of their profits as they can into offshore tax havens, so money is leaching out of the country instead of staying in circulation for everyone's benefit..

And, of course, that we don't have much of a manufacturing base any more so we tend to but imported goods..

Snap! devongirl

to buy imported goods

So why is Corbyn against some eu companies recruiting people into the uk and then paying the wage that they would get in that country.
He has spoken up against this practice many times and did again on the Andrew Marr programme this morning.

I haven't the faintest notion, Petra. He's a closed book as far as I'm concerned.

Though, mind you, if the recruiters are paying lower wages than British workers would get for the same job anyone should be against the practice.

Apologies if I'm misunderstanding Petra but, are you saying that workers from poor Eastern European countries who find employment in the UK should be paid the much lower wages on offer in their country of origin.
If I've understood correctly, it seems you're criticising Corbyn for arguing people in the UK should be paid the rate for the job, no matter their country of origin.
Unless I have this all wrong - then I'm with Jefemy.

Because it's against the law, petra.

Why are you so concerned, petra?

From durhamjen's post, it seems I wasn't misunderstanding. It's been a long busy day and I was so stunned to think anyone could think it was ok to break the law and discriminate that I thought I'd misunderstood.

Exactly - and why would anyone want to uproot themselves to go and work and live in a country where things were more expensive and just get paid the same wage as if they had stayed at home!

You are not a gangmaster, are you, petra?

Oy! ww. Laughing at sarcasm not allowed...

how naughty!! Who says I can't laugh anyway?

Sarcasm? Genuine question, I'll have you know!
Where's she gone, anyway?

Today's NHS data is quite frightening.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/25/soaring-nhs-vacancies-prompt-warnings-of-understaffing-nursing

I don't agree with recruiting nurses from other EU countries where they have a lower nurse per x population ratio than the UK. It's all very well being selfish and saying we need them here for us, but some of EU countries where we actively recruit for NHS staff have fewer nurses per 1,000 people than we do.

Once again I see a couple of posters deliberately twisting what I am saying.
I once knew a heavy goods driver in Bulgaria. He was paid at the driving rate in Bulgaria. He could be away from home for ( at the longest, 5 months)
He would be driving all over Europe. He could be in the uk / France/ Germany etc for a few weeks at a time in each country but would still be paid at the BG rate.
That is what myself and Corbyn are against. It's a shame that not many more of you are aware of this practice.
Many of you like to boast about how much you know about what's going on but when it comes down to it you know jack shit.

There is no mention of foreign nurses in that article, so I have no idea why you said that, primrose.

I don't base anything I say on once knowing one lorry driver.
When are you talking about?
Just because some companies cheat the system doesn't mean they all do. The law is that everyone should be paid the rate for the countries they work in.
If he was working for different companies in different countries, he should have been paid the rate in that country.

dj I'm sure you're aware that not all nurses in the NHS are from the UK and there has been plenty of press over the drop in applications from EU countries. The article mentions Brexit as a reason for the vacancies ....

And EU nurses are going back home. I am sure you are aware of that, primrose.
That should please you - until you need to go to hospital, of course, and find there are not enough nurses.