What should be done about Public Sector pay?

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Eloethan have you looked at the numbers posted by durhamjen?
I didn't say 'dire shortages' did I? It's certainly not what I meant. Just read what I actually said and explain why you disagree.

Apparently there are a lot of Australian nurses ready and willing to work in the UK but some (EU) rule requires them to pay a large amount of money to sit an English exam (their first and only language being English) when an EU nurse (who might not speak very good English at all ) does not.

but some (EU) rule requires them to pay a large amount of money to sit an English exam

What EU rule is that, gillybob?

I'm not sure Maizie I heard it being discussed on radio 4 last week. Going to try and find the article.

Its something to do with all nurses who did their training outside of the EU have to take an expensive English test (even if English is their first/only language).

NMC Registration

Nurses trained overseas, outside the EU, must register through the NMC's Overseas Nursing Programme (ONP).
They must meet the minimum NMC education requirement, English language requirement (academic IELTS of 6.5 or over on each section) and also undergo a 20 day programme of protected learning. Furthermore, where necessary, there may be a period of supervised practice.
Nurses who have qualifications from Australia, South Africa, New Zealand or Canada are generally considered very highly

Just copied this Maizie Don't do links. Whilst it says that nurses from Australia etc. are considered very highly they are not exempt form the rules and the programme is very expensive.

You're right, gillybob that they have to take an English test which costs them about £550 - and Australian nursing degrees are apparently not good enough to enable themto work in the NHS - a Masrer's is required (at their own expense of course).

So an Australian nurse qualified with a degree to work in ICU in a modern Australian hospital has to work as a healthcare assistant in the NGS whilst he/she does a Master's.
I put a link on another thread somewhere.

I am not sure if that is an EU rule though.

Fat finger, sorry!

I am only saying what I understood from the discussion on Radio 4 last week (or possibly the week before not sure).

Apparently this "program" of protected learning costs thousands of £'s.

Towards the end of her life my mum spent a lot of time in and out of hospital and was looked after by a lot of EU nurses (as well as some from outside) who were VERY difficult to understand (or in some cases even have a conversation with) so I think maybe some of the nurses from the EU should take that test.

I'm puzzled that it's thought to be an EU rule. Unless the 'rule' is that nurses from outside the EU applying for jobs in an EU country have to prove that they are competent in the language of the country they are applying to (so, not specifically an English test).

I must confess that it sounds to me more like a rule thought up by our own Home Office. But my mind is open on it.

Rules like that seem quite daft to me gillybob

Mine too Maizie although from the little paragraph I copied above it seems that EU nurses (no matter how poor their English) are exempt.

Anyway, it will not matter as they all want to go back where they came from, much to some people's delight.
Having a block on pay rises must be doing some good, as far as those people are concerned.
No names mentioned; that would make it personal.

I think that EU nurses now have to take the test the same as non-EU nurses have had to take.

It's an NMC requirement I believe, not Home Office.

As a practising RN my understanding is:

All non-EU applicants have to pass an English language test, including those from NZ, Australia & Canada, to be registered with the NMC (Nurses & Midwifery Council)

Nurses from the EU don't have to sit this test.

However, an employer can turn down an applicant from the EU if they deem their language skills to be lacking.

I have to say that it's ludicrous that an RN trained in NZ, Australia & Canada should have to sit an English language test.

Why would people be delighted?

Is that because some people thought it was wrong to poach trained medical staff from 3rd world countries whose need was greater than ours instead of training our own?

Not an EU rule, then, Riverwalk?

I too, think it's ludicrous to make people from a country where English is the official language take an English language test.

Does it apply to Canadians and Americans too?

Jalima This is the sort of practices I'm unhappy about

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33691084

We do target EU countries that have their own staff issues. Some countries subsidise their nurse training so we're basically just stealing their investment. I just don't think that's fair.

Yes, Maizie any non-EU country I think, including New Zealand, Canada etc.
An NMC requirement I think.

That was 2015.
Only 46 EU nurses applied in April.

I can't believe, Jalima, that you haven't noticed that some people do not want foreigners working in this country. That's what taking back control means.

Maizie as far as I'm aware, it is an EU rule, not initiated by the NMC, and applies to applicants from anywhere outside the EU, including English-speaking countries.

durhamjen If that remark about 'foreigners' is directed at me you've got it totally wrong.

It was directed at anybody it applies to.

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This is what not giving public sector workers pay rises means.
Along with lots of other problems this government has caused.