What should be done about Public Sector pay?

As ever Eloe you say it all <sighs>. But there you go, the private sector is perfect, the employees work so hard and are so well trained , the employers are decent, treat their staff so well, follow all the laws on health and safety, payment of minimum wages, pay all their taxes, provide excellent service/goods with excellent customer service on the very rare occasions when things go wrong. I don't know why we don't let them take over our prisons, our fitness to work assessments, security for major sporting events...... oh wait a minute.....

Sometimes I despair. I really do. The prom was on (as 3 teachers volunteered to help run it) then it was off as 2 dropped out (for whatever reason unknown) then one teacher agreed to do it with parent help (which there was always going to be) I noticed the caretaker had kindly stepped in too. He's lovely (and likes children which is always a bonus).

Maybe we should have a collection in the playground this morning to pay the teacher her hourly rate? Now how much would I need for 2 hours plus a bit of traveling. (It's okay she only lives 10 minutes away) she would probably be horrified if she could read some of the nasty posts begrudging. Children a little prom as this particular teacher seems to be in teaching for all the right reasons.

My angry response was because of the usual nasty sarcasm I get from one particular person (whom I will not name) who has to turn something lovely like an 11 year old girls prom into a party political statement for the NUT or whatever.

If teachers don't like children (and ther seems to be a few about) they shouldn't really be teachers should they?

The little prom lasted for 2 hours. The teacher who agreed to stay was thanked kindly and the parents (and others including me) cleared up. The children had a lovely time. Many of them will probably never see each other again after Friday (my DGD is one of them) so glad it went ahead. Just in case anyone is interested in the nice side of it. (Probably not, too busy whining about how poor teachers have to work extra hours marking papers and going to children's parties...... Oh dear what a horrible life they must have... Never mind 6 weeks holidays beckon) chin up.

Spot on, Eloethan and Rigby.

And there I was supposed to be the sarcastic one.
You do a nice line in sarcasm yourself, gillybob.

•gillybob• you were the one who criticised "bloody teachers" and complained about their marvellous pay, pensions,holidays, working conditions etc it's a wonder there is a crisis in recruitment. It's great one teacher volunteered for the party, but don't slag off the ones who didn't. I'm sure they like children, just didn't want an extra 2 hours of unpaid work at the end of a long week. I would think 2 hours overtime would be at least £100 if you want a whip round. But don't forget tax etc.

Forgot to add another lovely thing that happened.... The teacher that volunteered brought her daughter along (she's 13) to meet my DGD who goes to the same school she will be going to in September. She agreed to look out for her. Made my DGD'/s night to meet "Miss's daughter"

Happy days.

I just love it when things turn out nice.

£100 for 2 hours? Really you shock me suzied however do they manage on such pathetic wages?

Difficult to raise that sort of money in DGC's school. It's in a very deprived area.

As I said the teacher concerned would probably be horrified at this conversation and if you go back and read my post I DID not slag off those teachers who dropped out. Just to be clear.

I don't think that gillybob has quite 'got' what we're saying about expecting teachers to do over and above their job and having the gall to swear about teachers who aren't able to do it.

I wonder how much unpaid overtime the engineers do in her company?

Mind you, I do think that teachers have made a rod for their own backs by embracing and encouraging this idiotic notion of 'proms' for 11 year olds, and being willing to do it. It allows parents and grandparents to feel that it is an entitlement rather than a voluntary 'extra' on the teachers' part; thus laying them open to being sworn about if they're unable to do it..

I'm sure the teacher who did save the day would be horrified that her colleagues were being sworn about because they were (probably unavoidably) unavailable.

I didn't say £100 for 2 hours I said £100 for 2 hours overtime. Overtime being the operative word. I had to pay a plumber £100 for walking in my door recently that's just the call out, I am sorry you don't think responsibility for 30+ children out of hours is worth as much.

I don't think that gillybob has quite 'got' what we're saying about expecting teachers to do over and above their job and having the gall to swear about teachers who aren't able to do it

Is okay MazieD you can speak to me direct you know. You really don't have to talk through your fellow gang members.

I'll ask you directly, then gillybob. Do you 'get' it?

I wonder MazieD Were you a leader at school or just a hanger on? My guess is a hanger on.

Again we have a poster using the 'royal we'. Do tell Maizie who are these 'we' ,

I am an 'I' not a 'we'. Why the need to be a 'we'?

I think by calling the non volunteers "bloody teachers" was sort of slagging them off.

"Actually it nearly wasn't going to happen as no bloody teachers would volunteer to do it."

That statement, given with no background info, looks like slagging off, to me.

Yes, with no background info, that would look like slagging off to anyone.
But there was background info.

Who is going to be looking after your granddaughter at her end of primary school prom?
Teachers, I bet, with no extra pay.
Actually, it nearly wasn't going to happen as no bloody teachers would volunteer to do it

It's embarrassing for the poster to have their assumptions refuted, we all know that. Maybe making fewer assumptions is the better way forward.

I seem to have been labouring under a massive misapprehension for many years.
I always thought that teachers did extra curricular hours on a voluntary basis because they were paid an enhanced rate for their normal teaching hours (whatever they may be)
I'm sure gillybob has more than a passing understanding as to 'where you are coming from', it's not as if any teacher giving up two hours for whatever reason is expected to do a double shift down the pit. Get a grip and put it into perspective.

Actually just reading back my previous posts I had already mentioned that the prom almost wasn't going to happen before someone jumped in. see below.

Apologies for another jumble but now dashing to take DGD to her end of primary school prom. Almost wasn't going to happen so much excitement

Strangely Primrose65 I don't feel in the slightest bit embarrassed for myself. Thank you for your post though.

I was thinking of starting a thread "Trump or Gransnet?"

A tweet or a post? Sometimes, it's hard to differentiate between them.

I think Primrose meant that durhamjen could have been embarrassed gillybob - although I doubt that very much!

Well let me think.... Primrose scratching head.

How Trump compares with Gransnet:

Trump probably has a kind side. Most Gransnetters are kind.
Trump loves his family. Enough said.
I think he can be quite charismatic. What can I say?
He apparently likes pussies, lots of Gransnetters have cats don't they?
Trump can be a bit of a bully if someone dares to disagree with him though, can't he?

Still thinking....

I was thinking along the lines of

Sorry, but that's just wrong. It's not independent evidence.

Was that a Trump tweet or posted on GN?

That must have been GN, Trump wouldn't have bothered with "It's not independent evidence"

Yes!

I think it might be a fun thread.